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Teresa's avatar

You can also add a remineralizer to your system for around $100. We did, and it really improved the taste.

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The Vigilant Fox's avatar

Great tip!

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Cosmo's avatar

Look into Vitev, they're a US based company and the guy has a lot of transparent info on his site. His remineralizers actually have a negative ORP rating from the material in the filters, which in layman's terms means the water is able to donate electrons, essentially acting as an antioxidant / neutralizing free radicals from forming. One of the best I've seen.

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Mike Herzog's avatar

so does one necessarily need RO system, if the same company sells the filtration systems that claim incredibky clean and mineralized water? i dont get as much $$ to launder for the FED as others, so trying to stretch funds

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FoxyHeterodoxy (Debra C)'s avatar

We’ve had one for nearly twenty years. The water tastes great, and I am trusting that it is doing what it is supposed to. 🙏🏾

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Cosmo's avatar

Health is wealth man. If you trust your local water municipality adding fluoride to the water, hose water will do just fine.

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Debi Lutman's avatar

Food & hvac, probably take a HUNK from many households. Someone may have a more helpful tip then just prioritize better. A lot are on a fixed income.

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Cosmo's avatar

If the sobering reality that the life you live controlled by globalist NGO's hell bent on dictating your blood sovereignty doesn't light a fire under your ass, nothing will.

It's not exactly a situation of "welp maybe I'll give my children fluoride and stunt their cognition"... By any means, health has to come first before any purchase. Even if you have to burn the candle at both ends. If you're single, live with friends and do it together. Most importantly, you need to inform yourself on why you're doing this.

Food from grocery stores are all shit. Pull up to a farm and get yourself a cattle share for the year + a CSA for vegetables and eggs. It's significantly healthier than trader joes MRNA meats. Also cheaper in the long run too.

Dropping cost comparison below:

Cost Comparison: Half Cow + CSA vs Grocery Store (with Freezer Included)

Half Cow + CSA (Farm Model):

Half cow (195 lbs usable): ~$1,800/year

CSA (veggies + eggs): ~$980/year

Freezer (amortized over 5 years + electricity): ~$206/year

Total: $2,986–$3,106/year

Grocery Store:

Meat: ~$1,664/year

Veggies: ~$2,080/year

Eggs: ~$234/year

Total: $3,978/year

Annual Savings: ~$872–$992

Even after buying a freezer, the farm-based model saves nearly $1,000 per year, supports local agriculture, and gives you better quality meat, vegetables, and eggs. You break even on the freezer in less than a year.

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Debi Lutman's avatar

Thanks for the breakdown, just was thinking of the many want to incorporate ALL these things, and have to choose one thing at a time. Implement a plan to save for something that’s a grand, while maybe starting with even a small container garden, while learning to compost and regenerate soil, so it can help filter crap. Stay away from glyphosate and learn other ways to eradicate bugs naturally. Like the doco I saw that shows the innate dominance of nature after man annihilates themselves. It shows it never needed us to thrive, just to steward it well as we cohabited in it.

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Judy El's avatar

Stainless steel water tanks come in various sizes, this may be a cheaper option, in the short and the long term.

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MJ's avatar

Well, we started out that way with RO, back in the 1980s and it seemed solved.. But we moved.... first to an apartment... ick..

So my son suggested doing a Berkefeld in the meantime... well served explorers...

Cleaned out every bio-hazard thing, kept the natural minerals but fluoride too in those days... THE NEWER BERKE does get rid of the fluoride and heavy metals...

With the RO, the cats weren't pleased til we added MSM crystals to be more like natural rain water [pre chemtrails].. even my daughter thought it tasted better..

When we got to the new house, we debated whether to go back to RO... even tried distilled since that was sometimes useful for medical stuff in our rescuing work.. awful tasting..

Upgraded the Berke to deal with the fluoride and heavy metals as well as the biohazards..

The cats loved it...

And when the FLASH FREEZE TOOK DOWN THE WATER GRID... wow were we glad we had the Berke... the RO was useless, but we scooped snow into the Berke and were fine....

So add those factors and add that the Berke costs less than half of sink-top-RO, it seems to me to have a better solution, though you do have to pay attention to processing...

SO.....

We got a little 1gal dispenser on the sinkcounter... when that gets low, refill it AND refill the Berkefeld... We do keep a 1gal bucket handy for refilling the Berke instead of messing with the sink's sprayer hose...

That's our story....

TTYL

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Kathy Benz's avatar

We have had a reverse osmosis under counter filter with the top tap on the sink for over 9 years. We wouldn’t trade it for anything else. We also keep a chlorine free filter on the bath shower heads. My hair and skin feel so much softer without the chlorine.

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The Vigilant Fox's avatar

Amazing! Thanks for sharing, Kathy.

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God Bless America's avatar

Do you or anyone else have a recommendation for the chlorine free filter on the bath showerhead? God bless 🙏🏽✝️🙏🏽

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UnvaxxedCanadian's avatar

I’ve had a whole house carbon filter for decades. Takes out the chlorine

Much cheaper than a whole house RO system

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Stephen Martinek's avatar

Carbon filter will not remove arsenic. The RO will. Reason I switched to RO for drinking water probably about 7 or 8 years ago.

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UnvaxxedCanadian's avatar

I should have been more specific, I still use an RO for drinking. The whole house carbon takes chlorine out, especially good for showering.

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NickDC's avatar

Respectively you need more than to take out Chlorine. RO is the only system that removes bacteria, radioactive particles and a whole host of pesticides etc etc. I recall a Guardia contamination in the water supply in Sydney, NSW, Australia. Carbon filters don't cut it. Carbon filters also cannot remove fluoride which is a Class 4 poison. Carbon alone will not do your health requirements justice.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

In fact, the U.S. government (EPA) gave Berkey the runaround for not getting approved as a "pesticide." It was ridiculous. The EPA tried to put a family-run company out of business. I haven't been able to find what happened. The article is interesting, though:

https://support.berkeywater.com/update-nmcl-court-case-vs-epa/

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NickDC's avatar

Very intersting article. I wouldn't be using a Silver Ion filter (if that's what they produce) to treat drinking water when you have RO available.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

Their filter isn't made of silver ion. It has proprietary ingredients, along with activated carbon.

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NickDC's avatar

It has silver ions in it though. The article explains "The fact is that silver is used industry-wide in water filters to protect the filter from biological grow through, which makes them a treated article exempt from pesticide registration."

It then mentions that Berkey were unfairly targeted.

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ComeQuicklyLord's avatar

I’ll consider the chlorine free shower filter. Thank!

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Elizabeth Quattrochi's avatar

When the rest of my street was converting to public water I kept our well. The more I learn, the more I don’t want city water.

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Vonu's avatar

The more you learn about ground water contamination, the more you'll want to know.

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Te Reagan's avatar

Exactly. You must have your well water tested quarterly. My well water was contaminated with pesticides from run off. I live in a farming community.

I filter all my water, including shower water.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

When I was a child, the adults just dug a hole in the ground, installed a pump, and ran a line into the house for running water. The government didn't get involved. We were living outside the city limits, so that was basically the only option.

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Vonu's avatar

If I didn't get all of my water from a Primo RO machine, I'd have a whole house filter.

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Elizabeth Quattrochi's avatar

Plus Goldfish die in city water! Our Goldfish lived 10 years in well water we changed every other day.

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Vonu's avatar

It is news to you that chlorine will kill fish?

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Te Reagan's avatar

Chlorine keeps the tad poles out my pool water.

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Vonu's avatar

You don't have a filter to do that, along with errant candy bars?

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Elaine Russky's avatar

It's not a good experience to open the filter cover and find it full of dead frogs.

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Vonu's avatar

That's why you need a grate on the input to the filter to prevent really large things from getting in. The size of the really large things varies depending on the source of the water, but nothing larger than a piece of pollen needs to get into the filter.

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Kim's avatar
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Yes, we got an under sink RO a year ago and love it! There are so many affordable options now. Ours was much cheaper than $1300 and we have an affordable handyman (retired engineer) we love that we found on Nextdoor. He installed for a great price. We only drink that water. We recently purchased an ice filter for the fridge since my daughter and I won’t use the ice without it. It’s not installed yet but we are all excited to have pure ice.

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Kim's avatar

I also love that the filters are super easy to change - twist and pull the old filter and twist and push in the new filter. There are 3 filters, and one is changed every 6 months, one is every year, and one is every two years. The two year filter is a little more expensive.

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MASh's avatar

We've had the full system for years. We installed it when we built our house. Best thing we ever did! We also installed one at our business office a couple of years ago. The money we were spending on a water subscription service has more than paid for the RO system. Great investment.

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The Vigilant Fox's avatar

Agreed. I looked at home delivery options, too.

Having an in-home filtration system is far more convenient, and like you said, it pays for itself.

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Fatin Howard's avatar

I have the same system & love it! I had been wanting to get a system for probably 20 years to get away from all the plastic. I finally took the plunge after seeing all the crazy studies about microplastics being in our body. As someone in healthcare and someone who tries to be healthy, that was the final straw. I wish I had done it years ago as well!

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PK0014's avatar

I have had reverse osmosis under sink system for over 15 years with filters on shower heads. Be sure to mineralize your reverse osmosis water….I use sole water (Google how to do that) made with Himalayan sea salt, using 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of sole water to my 1 liter glass jar.

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Bina Brissie's avatar

We have also had one for about a decade. Once a year, new filters are dropped off automatically. They know which ones we need every year, not all of them are exchanged every year. We also have one unit which remineralises.

With everything I constantly read - this always gives me peace of mind. Plus, there is no funny taste in the water of any sort - unlike the tap water, which they claim is excellent. But you can taste some metal or chlorine it it from what I remember when I was still drinking it at times.

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NoVA mom's avatar

Love my AquaTru countertop unit. Added the remineralization filter as well.

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Linda Gomez's avatar

Love my aquatru... although, when I purchased it, the under the counter wasn't available yet

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

I knew the rap sheet on the public drinking water decades ago...

Here is my solution: Get a counter top distiller...and use it for your drinking water.

Save up a gallon or so and heat it on the stove....give yourself a thorough scrub down

while standing in your shower but USING THE DISTILLED WATER.

OR place a large collection container outside during a rain storm

Or place it under your roof downspouts. Use for bathing....

Use your distilled water exclusively for drinking....Or just give up.

We are all going to die soon...they told us.

Anyway, I never took one "vaccine" injection of any sort.

I feel fine.

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Vonu's avatar

Rain water contains all the stuff it washed out of the air...

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Allie's avatar

Having a countertop water distiller is the way to go for drinking water! Forget expensive RO systems that require filter replacements that contribute to trash.

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Lulu's avatar

Are you sure distilled water gets out fluoride, RX contamination, and more? I'll stick with RO.

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NickDC's avatar

It does but also all the oxygen and that's why it tastes so flat. Some pesticides though have the same boiling as water and therefore are converted into gas and then condensed into their original form into the condensed water. A good (pure as possible) water source for Distillation and RO is essential.

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Kathleen Nathan's avatar

If distilling the water can't get it out....nothing can....although my distiller came with a filter that helps release "gasses" that may need to be eliminated...who knows? Why is RO better than distilling? Reverse osmosis just uses some kind of bladder that is a physical barrier. I don't see why that would be better than boiling. I think fluoride is released immediately because it is super lightweight.

If we can't even drink the rain water....we are in very deep trouble. I guess they spray us a lot...don't they?

Chem trailing seems to have stopped here in Asheville NC...but I am no expert on that. I may be confusing "hoping" with reality.....Sick of those long white lines obscuring our beautiful skies....

Here is something:

Rocky Mountain Water Distillers

https://rockymountainwaterdistillers.com › pages › does-distilled-water-have-fluoride-in-it

Does Distilled Water Have Fluoride In It? How to remove Fluoride?

Does distilling water remove fluoride? YES distilling water removes fluoride. A commercial-grade Durastill Water Distiller (made in USA) removes fluoride from your tap water and drinking water. Durastill steam distillation combined with a VOC vent and NSF Certified Post-Carbon filter removes the

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Mark Luersen's avatar

Exactly, RO wastes water (water is a precious commodity) and the membrane needs to be cleaned a lot. And who needs ultra clean water to wash your dishes? Ridiculous. Just do what nature does- distill. Been using a countertop distiller for 2 decades now.

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Cosmo's avatar
2dEdited

2 faucets Mark. You only use the RO one for drinking and it should be connected directly to the cold water valve only. Dish washing is done on the main (unfiltered)

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STH's avatar

I’d love to have one someday but it’s not in the budget for a senior living on a fixed income. I do however love my Aquagear filter. I can definitely taste the difference. My pets even get their water filtered.

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Mark Luersen's avatar

Sounds like someone in the house will forget sometimes. At least it's not connected to the toilets. Not to mention a tabletop distiller with carbon filter is way cheaper- both in initial purchase and upkeep.

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Cosmo's avatar

Table top distillers with activated carbon filters (e.g., in Brita or fridge filters) work primarily via adsorption, meaning contaminants stick to the carbon surface as water passes through.

They're good at removing:

- Some Chlorine

- Bad taste and odor

- Some VOCs (volatile organic compounds)

But they struggle with:

- Heavy metals (e.g., lead, aluminum, mercury)

- Pesticides/herbicides

- Fluoride

- Nitrates/nitrites

- Microplastics

- PFAS (forever chemicals)

Standard carbon can’t remove dissolved ions, like fluoride or metals, because it’s not a chemical filter — it doesn’t bind charged particles well.

Contaminants like nitrates, pharmaceuticals, and fluoride are too small and hydrophilic to absorb effectively. And once carbon is saturated, it stops working — and may even leach contaminants back into the water. It also doesn't lower Total Dissolved Solids, so it doesn’t make water “clean” on a chemical level like RO does.

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Mark Luersen's avatar

I think you got hung up/distracted when I wrote 'carbon filter'. I use a DISTILLER with carbon filter, this removes everything including what you laboriously wrote above. In fact, this combo removes more than RO, because RO will not remove certain things, I forget which (some viruses/bacteria?). Also, water has an intelligence, and when I make ice cubes, sometimes I will get icicles that shoot upwards as if it's alive. I never seen that with RO. Why argue with what Nature does?

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Cosmo's avatar

Ahh yes I missed that part. Distilling actually does remove everything, but it also removes necessary electrolytes and minerals as well. Distilled water usually results in a TDS (total dissolved solids) ~0 ppm which means it's biologically incomplete water. Our RO has a UV sanitizer which kills 99.9% all bacteria (same as distillation) and it's easy to attach an inline remineralizer into the system. What are you doing to add trace minerals, MG and electrolytes back into your system?

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Stephen Martinek's avatar

That's why you can include a UV filter that only turns On when it detects water flow.

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Cosmo's avatar

They're 2 very distinct faucets. Forgetting which one is which sounds more like an Alzheimers problem (which is also linked to exposure of Aluminum, lead, mercury, Fluoride, Pesticides etc.)

Many of the chemicals removed by RO water filters can cross the blood-brain barrier and contribute to neurodegeneration. RO acts as a preventive step — (but only when paired with remineralization to avoid deficiencies in magnesium, calcium, and potassium, which also support brain health)

Aluminum - Enters via transferrin transport and leaky BBB, accumulates in brain tissue, especially in aging or inflammation. Strongly linked to amyloid plaque formation.

Lead - Crosses via calcium transport pathways. Interferes with synaptic signaling and contributes to oxidative damage.

Mercury (especially methylmercury) - Lipid-soluble form (methylmercury) readily crosses the BBB. Potent neurotoxin, affects mitochondria and neuron survival.

Flouride - Crosses as HF (hydrofluoric acid) or via active transport. Linked to neurodevelopmental toxicity in children and some concerns in adults.

Pesticides (e.g., organophosphates, glyphosate, atrazine) - Many cross due to lipophilicity or active transport. Can trigger neuroinflammation and oxidative stress.

These substances directly affect brain cells, increase oxidative stress, interfere with neurotransmitters, and promote amyloid-beta plaque or tau tangle formation, all hallmarks of Alzheimer’s pathology.

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Mark Luersen's avatar

When I wrote "Sounds like someone in the house will forget" does not mean Alzheimer's. Stop being an arse. Kids and elderly will do stoopid things, and not everyone is perfect and never makes mistakes, especially when they wake up with little sleep. Save your lectures on pollutants, I already know which is why I have been distilling for 2 decades. The pros/cons are better with distillation. People who prop up RO either get kickbacks, don't know, or have buyer's remorse.

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Cosmo's avatar

Clearly. I responded the way I did because I thought "forgetting" was a poor excuse. Unless you literally have dementia, it's very hard to forget which one does what. After a week of "mistakenly drinking from tap" - you'll pick it up.

A better reason to not subscribe to RO filtration would be high price entry. But the "forgetting thing" just doesn't make sense unless you literally have Alzheimer's (which is directly linked to the aforementioned found in tap).

I'm not trying to lecture anyone, just more so just illuminate people on why they shouldn't be giving their kids tap considering Pharma funded entities like the CDC are now admitting the addition of fluoride is linked to cognition defects in children.

This page exists for educational purposes and everyone here is trying to understand how they can be healthier. And to be frank, unless YOU'RE adding some type of inline gravity or pump-fed remineralizer, OR adding these things back in post-distillation, I'd strongly argue against distillation only because it will strip you of whatever's in your body and cause depletion.

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Lulu's avatar

You don't forget. The stream is much lower on the drinking water on the right side. It's wonderful.

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Mark Luersen's avatar

Unless the RO membrane gets dirtier faster and then you are drinking some crap water and don't even realize it. The leftover bottom of my distiller changes constantly- sometimes little white, sometimes pink, red, and occasionally brownish/black. Never know what comes in the pipes day to day. The more chemicals/pollutants, the more you need to maintain the membrane. For distilling, just rinse a little white vinegar on the bottom, then you are ready to go.

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S E Herring's avatar

It doesn't have to cost that much. This is the best place I've found for good prices and excellent knowledge and service. https://www.purewaterproducts.com/

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ComeQuicklyLord's avatar

I had a 5 stage RO system that lasted 15 years when my children were in the house. It was gifted to me by my former pastor—I installed it—that was 2001.

I purchased the same unit last year—$325 (?)—$200 installation for a plumber. I can’t get on my knees any more. It’s Premier SV5–I love it, and just purchased new filters.

With my wife and I being the only ones at home, I don’t have to change the filters but once a year—cost $50. 🤗

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Inverse Spinning's avatar

After filtering one liter of water, add 5 grams of unrefined sea salt and 1 or 2 freshly squeezed lemons and drink this as your ONLY source of water or liquids in general during the day. It's the only water our body really craves for: full of electrolytes. We origin from the sea - that memory is still alive at our cellular level. If you make a research you will find people drinking water mixed with sea water, and if you think about it, where in our body will you find pure H20? Nowhere.

As a naturopath I can send you a simple short pdf guide I've written about this topic. The title is "Drinking Water Dehydrates You". (yes, that's what literally happens when you drink only H20, and it damages our health).

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Andrea Coane's avatar

Yes, please post your guide. Would appreciate it.

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Inverse Spinning's avatar

I can only send via email, sorry.

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Elaine bagby's avatar

Please send me a copy as well Tysvm

Elainebagby@icloud.com

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Andrea Coane's avatar

Tuukan@mail.com. Thank you for your reply!

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NickDC's avatar

I been using bench top models for around 40 years. I've never been concerned about mineral removal as you get most of your minerals from the food you eat. To put it into perspective, you would need to drink a bath tub full off water per day to get your daily mineral requirements. Don't waste your money on the mineraliser scam.

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Gene's avatar

I didn't know they made countertop units. I live alone, with my dog, that would be good for me, I don't need it for anything but drinking water. If anything my plants and trees should like the human remains in the tap water, maybe that's why they grow so good. Thanks for the informative post.

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Debbity's avatar

I live alone, with my cats, and have been very happy with the AquaTru countertop unit. I just bought an extra carafe to go with it so I always have some ready to go.

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Gene's avatar

On that model, do you have to use their carafe with it, or can you use any container that will fit under it? Like another pitcher, without having to pay for another carafe? I'm using a PUR pitcher filter now, but it doesn't filter so many things.

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Debbity's avatar

I think you would have to use their carafe because of the way it activates the filtration once it slots into place. But you could pour the filtered water into your pitcher, then run another batch through if you want two. It comes with one carafe. It's glass, which I like because I don't want to drink microplastics, although I did break one. I chose AquaTru after reading reviews, especially ConsumerLab's analysis, and there was a certification report on AquaTru's website about everything that was removed-pretty extensive.

I laughed at your comment about your plants and trees ☺️

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Gene's avatar

Well, everything on the earth is recycled one way or another. Just like you can tell if a septic tank is leaking by how well the grass and other plants close to it are doing. They are greener, and bigger. I guess they can't control the quality of the container someone may use, so they designed it so it has to use their carafe, so if someone were to have it tested, there's no contamination from an old plastic container made with BPA.

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Debbity's avatar

Yeah, good points, Gene!

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