Therapists also never hear or report on those who improved, because they stop going to therapy. That said, SSRIs almost ruined our marriage, until we found the only medicine that could help - light.
Hi Roman happy to hear SSRIs didn't ruin your marriage. I know they ruined me in so many ways but I am weaning myself off of them I hope it works. Stay in the light. Ken
Every bad thing you read about SSRI/SNRI drugs are true. I am currently trying to get off of Cymbalta. My doctor supports me getting off medications I don't need. I got on Cymbalta in 2020, more at the suggestion of my old doctor, not because I was complaining about depression, but he asked if I was depressed. Regardless, I want off. I have dropped successfully from 60 mg day to 30 mg day. I had withdrawal symptoms for about 4 days, not severe, just a weird feeling of unrealness, but nothing I couldn't handle. I'm about a month into the 30 mg dose. Next, since they do not make a 15 mg, I will have to use a scale that can measure milligrams and open capsules and weigh the little time release balls, then weigh out half, and put them in an empty capsule from Amazon. Going to give it another month at least, before dropping again. Also working on eliminating blood pressure medications, two, I average 128/61, and do not need them anymore, if I ever did. I was diabetic, type 2, about 10 years, beat it in 2024 by losing 70 lbs. The Dr says you need to take BP meds if diabetic. Screw them. The withdrawal from Cymbalta, so far has been tolerable for me, so I am lucky, not typical. We'll see when I cut it further. My doctor now is great about helping me to get off of unnecessary medications, she supports me by prescribing lower doses pretty much at my request. I fired the other one long ago, over trying to get me to take statins, which I refused.
It is very telling that big pharma doesn't make the smaller doses that would help people taper off without such severe side effects. My daughter opened the capsules and counted the grains to taper off cymbalta. The withdrawals are crippling.
So far, I have been lucky, I cut my dose in half from 60 to 30, and the withdrawal was not real bad for me, a weird feeling of things not being real, but no anxiety or fear. And I was over it in about 4 days. I will be opening capsules for my next decrease. Please give your daughter my hope and encouragement that she can get off this drug without too much misery. I don't know how another decrease will go, but I will find out. I didn't need the drug to begin with, and I figured it's not addicting, I can quit it later. But big pharma wants us to take their poison for life. They aren't going to make it easy stop giving them money. My best wishes to your daughter.
Congrats on what you've been able to achieve so far! Talk to your doctor about working with a compounding pharmacy for exact tapering dosing. They can ship to everywhere in the U.S (except maybe not Hawaii or Alaska?). I get my thyroid (T3) dosing from a compounding pharmacy. They are able to do micro-dosing on many different prescription meds.
I don't like to think or feel like a victim. I have worse pharmaceutical injuries than from Cymbalta. Invokana, was prescribed to me for diabetes 2, I took it for about 2 years. Then I started getting edema, along with large blisters on my legs, especially my left leg, that itched badly and when popped, wept fluid for a couple of weeks or more before scabbing and eventually healing. That started in 2017,o to this day I have to wear compression socks 24/7, which help, but, sucks. I tried to get in on a class action lawsuit, but they wouldn't accept me because I had not had any amputations from it. I am no longer diabetic, beat diabetes 2, but my legs still swell up. Invokana permanently screwed up something in my legs, and I wish long, horrible, painful, debilitating deaths on every Johnson & Johnson employee that had anything to do with putting that poison on the market, especially sales people and executives and doctors who prescribe it. Like all diabetes drugs, it makes your organs do shit they are not supposed to do, and cause permanent damage. I would like justice, but even better would be retribution or vengeance, and my faith tells me God will take cart of that for me.
Burn in hell assholes!
But, no, I do not consider my self a victim - victims don't fight back, and let themselves be assaulted over and over.
I also can't afford a compounding pharmacy, iheartpugs, even the 20 mg duloxetine, was too expensive for me to pay for, I originally wanted my doc to write scrips for 40 mg AND 20 mg a day in case I couldn't handle the decrease. But pricing on those two unpopular doses of duloxetine were way too high for me, so we decided to try 60 pills of 30 mg, with instructions for 2 pills a day, again in case I had to revert back to the full dose if withdrawal was too bad. The 30 mg dosage gets prescribed a lot because when Dr's first prescribe it the prescribe a half dose, 30 mg day, to make sure the patient can handle it. So the doses of duloxetine/Cymbalta that are the cheapest are 30 and 60 mg pills. I am disabled and can not work, plus retired and on Medicare, so price is an issue for me. I will look into pricing from a compounding pharmacy online, the duloxetine all seems to be time released regardless of dose, but if I can find it for a comparable price that would be great. The most popular dose seems to be the cheapest, doesn't matter anymore about how much you actually get. And I'm sure big pharma knows people want these lower doses, to get off of their poison, and wants to make it as hard as possible to stop taking them.
they had only one solution and thatt is, going into psychiatric hospital and get medication (background of sex abuse and violence. I was lucky, i met somebody real good in (Active) Meditation and I am out most of the time out of trauma-crazyness. It took me more than 40 yerars of working on myself, but i feel grateful and very alive, more than most people around me...
I want to say it took a month to feel close to normal after stopping all psycho drugs. That was nearly 20 years ago. My mind didn't heal fully for another decade or more.
Convincing parents to drug their children into suicidal ideation is unbelievably evil. Meanwhile my boomer parents still think it was unwise to do and badgered me for years and years.
After 20 years they finally admit that maybe I don't need to a be pharmaceutical drug addict. Even still they're not convinced the drugs were the problem.
Search US VETERANS STUDY finds vitamin D reduces depression and suicide by over 45%.
Our lifestyles keep us out of the sun, our food prevents proper metabolism and the drugs are handed out with criminal intent by licensed pushers working for the the most recordededly corrupt institutions and companies the planet has ever seen.
All on our watch . Wakey wakey and smash that snakey.
While all these situations are certainly alarming when looking at the big picture, what you don't write about these stats are as important as what you do write; when dealing with emotional issues, i.e., mental illness each case is a completely separate story. Each person reacts differently to these meds & it sometimes takes months or even a year to get a person on the right one or the right combination. Take me for example, depression runs in my family, my father struggled w/it all his life, having to resort to the nightmarish One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest electroconvulsive therapy (shock treatment) at one point in the 50's & it well may have saved his life as I'm pretty sure he was suicidal at one point. I too have suffered w/it's dark clutches, or my "black dog" as Winston Churchill famously called it, starting w/Zoloft for what was at first situational depression; it basically sucked as it did help with the overwhelming effects of the 100 lb weight sitting on my chest, the sexual side effects are a prominent side effect, quite a hindrance to a sexually active 35-year-old man. Upon retirement, here it comes roaring back, only this time it was accompanied by panic attacks for which I was prescribed Seroquel, an anti-psychotic, later switching to Celexa, yet after around 5 years it wasn't enough but by now, being in the "geriatric category" (ugh) I couldn't increase the dosage so my psych added back Seroquel as an adjunct, which helped immensely, as well as helping me sleep much better. While this has its downside too, I'm more functional than I was 3 months ago. Whew, while I write all this not in an attempt to blast my "sob story" all over social media, I do it to show how complicated my personal treatment has been & I left out a couple important side issues which for the sake of brevity I didn't mention; it also reflects how complicated each and every case can be & points out that there can be a nearly infinite number of plans like this, all of which must be tailored to the individual. The statistics do not & cannot reflect the same complicated challenges faced by prescribing physicians, P.A.s & N.P.s, so while stats are important, they're not as important as those for treating conventional & ofttimes more straightforward diseases & conditions.
There is another component to the situation regarding SSRI dosage --- the age of the patient.
For example, the "standard starting dose" for some SSRIs for the elderly is 10mg per day.
But, for some older adults, even the 10mg per day may be too much.
IMO, the moment a patient taking an SSRI, at any dose, starts to get side effects / adverse reactions, it's time to contact the healthcare professional who prescribed the drug. Don't follow the "get used to the symptoms, they may resolve within a few weeks as tolerance builds up" advice. IMO, the side effects / adverse reactions are the body signalling that it's being given poison (the SSRI.)
There may be circumstances where the patient really needs to be on an SSRI / SNRI while also being in counseling therapy. However, IMO, taking an SSRI / SNRI for many months, let alone for years, sounds like path to avoid.
From the experiences of a person who took an SSRI for over 5 years, and finally made the decision that the continuing side effects were no longer tolerable. Took 7 months to taper down and wean off the drug. That was last year. The process of letting the brain rewire itself is long and not easy, but it's getting done. The tapering down and weaning off were closely supervised by a physician --- this is very important for success in the process. Along with counseling therapy. Along with eating good, healthy food; staying well hydrated; exercise, especially walking; getting outdoors; having a support system of family and friends. Along with never giving up.
Para não perder o cliente, a maioria dos médicos e terapeutas dão remédios, paleativos para os sintomas. Mas não tratam ou curam as causas dos problemas. Infelizmente vivem do comércio das doenças. Gratidão pelo excelnete texto. abraços
I am going to drop this unrelated comment in here since the guy who doesn’t trust the media became the media. I can’t message the account without subscribing so this is the best I can do I guess. I made this account specifically to put out my amateur research on COVID and HIV. Maybe by some miracle someone reads it and it gets traction. I’m about done mass emailing it to every podcaster and media outlet.
The homicidal, suicidal, impulses are real. If you think about the consequences of such actions, that logic pulls you out of that horrible thought process.
Seems like many are unable to focus on the consequences and end up going off the deep end.
Therapists also never hear or report on those who improved, because they stop going to therapy. That said, SSRIs almost ruined our marriage, until we found the only medicine that could help - light.
Hi Roman happy to hear SSRIs didn't ruin your marriage. I know they ruined me in so many ways but I am weaning myself off of them I hope it works. Stay in the light. Ken
Thanks Ken. Circadian rhythms are king. Do you get out in the morning to see the sunrise?
Yes sir I am an early riser! Take care buddy.
Nice. The other part that helped us was reducing the 99% of light that is invisible, e.g. EMF in the form of dirty electricity and Wi-Fi.
Thanks Roman I will look into that.
For sure. FYI:
https://romanshapoval.substack.com/i/163141451/an-electric-power-couple
Yes The rapists another mirror word .
Thank you so much for the very important work you do in getting this the exposure it desperately needs.
Every bad thing you read about SSRI/SNRI drugs are true. I am currently trying to get off of Cymbalta. My doctor supports me getting off medications I don't need. I got on Cymbalta in 2020, more at the suggestion of my old doctor, not because I was complaining about depression, but he asked if I was depressed. Regardless, I want off. I have dropped successfully from 60 mg day to 30 mg day. I had withdrawal symptoms for about 4 days, not severe, just a weird feeling of unrealness, but nothing I couldn't handle. I'm about a month into the 30 mg dose. Next, since they do not make a 15 mg, I will have to use a scale that can measure milligrams and open capsules and weigh the little time release balls, then weigh out half, and put them in an empty capsule from Amazon. Going to give it another month at least, before dropping again. Also working on eliminating blood pressure medications, two, I average 128/61, and do not need them anymore, if I ever did. I was diabetic, type 2, about 10 years, beat it in 2024 by losing 70 lbs. The Dr says you need to take BP meds if diabetic. Screw them. The withdrawal from Cymbalta, so far has been tolerable for me, so I am lucky, not typical. We'll see when I cut it further. My doctor now is great about helping me to get off of unnecessary medications, she supports me by prescribing lower doses pretty much at my request. I fired the other one long ago, over trying to get me to take statins, which I refused.
It is very telling that big pharma doesn't make the smaller doses that would help people taper off without such severe side effects. My daughter opened the capsules and counted the grains to taper off cymbalta. The withdrawals are crippling.
So far, I have been lucky, I cut my dose in half from 60 to 30, and the withdrawal was not real bad for me, a weird feeling of things not being real, but no anxiety or fear. And I was over it in about 4 days. I will be opening capsules for my next decrease. Please give your daughter my hope and encouragement that she can get off this drug without too much misery. I don't know how another decrease will go, but I will find out. I didn't need the drug to begin with, and I figured it's not addicting, I can quit it later. But big pharma wants us to take their poison for life. They aren't going to make it easy stop giving them money. My best wishes to your daughter.
Congrats on what you've been able to achieve so far! Talk to your doctor about working with a compounding pharmacy for exact tapering dosing. They can ship to everywhere in the U.S (except maybe not Hawaii or Alaska?). I get my thyroid (T3) dosing from a compounding pharmacy. They are able to do micro-dosing on many different prescription meds.
If you are a victim, go here for understanding, information and help.
Dr. Josef de Witt-Doerring
Dr. Josef You Tube.
@taperclinic
I don't like to think or feel like a victim. I have worse pharmaceutical injuries than from Cymbalta. Invokana, was prescribed to me for diabetes 2, I took it for about 2 years. Then I started getting edema, along with large blisters on my legs, especially my left leg, that itched badly and when popped, wept fluid for a couple of weeks or more before scabbing and eventually healing. That started in 2017,o to this day I have to wear compression socks 24/7, which help, but, sucks. I tried to get in on a class action lawsuit, but they wouldn't accept me because I had not had any amputations from it. I am no longer diabetic, beat diabetes 2, but my legs still swell up. Invokana permanently screwed up something in my legs, and I wish long, horrible, painful, debilitating deaths on every Johnson & Johnson employee that had anything to do with putting that poison on the market, especially sales people and executives and doctors who prescribe it. Like all diabetes drugs, it makes your organs do shit they are not supposed to do, and cause permanent damage. I would like justice, but even better would be retribution or vengeance, and my faith tells me God will take cart of that for me.
Burn in hell assholes!
But, no, I do not consider my self a victim - victims don't fight back, and let themselves be assaulted over and over.
I also can't afford a compounding pharmacy, iheartpugs, even the 20 mg duloxetine, was too expensive for me to pay for, I originally wanted my doc to write scrips for 40 mg AND 20 mg a day in case I couldn't handle the decrease. But pricing on those two unpopular doses of duloxetine were way too high for me, so we decided to try 60 pills of 30 mg, with instructions for 2 pills a day, again in case I had to revert back to the full dose if withdrawal was too bad. The 30 mg dosage gets prescribed a lot because when Dr's first prescribe it the prescribe a half dose, 30 mg day, to make sure the patient can handle it. So the doses of duloxetine/Cymbalta that are the cheapest are 30 and 60 mg pills. I am disabled and can not work, plus retired and on Medicare, so price is an issue for me. I will look into pricing from a compounding pharmacy online, the duloxetine all seems to be time released regardless of dose, but if I can find it for a comparable price that would be great. The most popular dose seems to be the cheapest, doesn't matter anymore about how much you actually get. And I'm sure big pharma knows people want these lower doses, to get off of their poison, and wants to make it as hard as possible to stop taking them.
I hear you.
I lost my husband this week; it took 32 Days. I know what they do.
May love be with us all.
I'm sorry for your loss. My prayers go to you and your husband. You will see him again one day.
they had only one solution and thatt is, going into psychiatric hospital and get medication (background of sex abuse and violence. I was lucky, i met somebody real good in (Active) Meditation and I am out most of the time out of trauma-crazyness. It took me more than 40 yerars of working on myself, but i feel grateful and very alive, more than most people around me...
I want to say it took a month to feel close to normal after stopping all psycho drugs. That was nearly 20 years ago. My mind didn't heal fully for another decade or more.
Convincing parents to drug their children into suicidal ideation is unbelievably evil. Meanwhile my boomer parents still think it was unwise to do and badgered me for years and years.
After 20 years they finally admit that maybe I don't need to a be pharmaceutical drug addict. Even still they're not convinced the drugs were the problem.
VITAMIN D3 with K is the FIRST trial.
Search US VETERANS STUDY finds vitamin D reduces depression and suicide by over 45%.
Our lifestyles keep us out of the sun, our food prevents proper metabolism and the drugs are handed out with criminal intent by licensed pushers working for the the most recordededly corrupt institutions and companies the planet has ever seen.
All on our watch . Wakey wakey and smash that snakey.
May love be with us all.
While all these situations are certainly alarming when looking at the big picture, what you don't write about these stats are as important as what you do write; when dealing with emotional issues, i.e., mental illness each case is a completely separate story. Each person reacts differently to these meds & it sometimes takes months or even a year to get a person on the right one or the right combination. Take me for example, depression runs in my family, my father struggled w/it all his life, having to resort to the nightmarish One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest electroconvulsive therapy (shock treatment) at one point in the 50's & it well may have saved his life as I'm pretty sure he was suicidal at one point. I too have suffered w/it's dark clutches, or my "black dog" as Winston Churchill famously called it, starting w/Zoloft for what was at first situational depression; it basically sucked as it did help with the overwhelming effects of the 100 lb weight sitting on my chest, the sexual side effects are a prominent side effect, quite a hindrance to a sexually active 35-year-old man. Upon retirement, here it comes roaring back, only this time it was accompanied by panic attacks for which I was prescribed Seroquel, an anti-psychotic, later switching to Celexa, yet after around 5 years it wasn't enough but by now, being in the "geriatric category" (ugh) I couldn't increase the dosage so my psych added back Seroquel as an adjunct, which helped immensely, as well as helping me sleep much better. While this has its downside too, I'm more functional than I was 3 months ago. Whew, while I write all this not in an attempt to blast my "sob story" all over social media, I do it to show how complicated my personal treatment has been & I left out a couple important side issues which for the sake of brevity I didn't mention; it also reflects how complicated each and every case can be & points out that there can be a nearly infinite number of plans like this, all of which must be tailored to the individual. The statistics do not & cannot reflect the same complicated challenges faced by prescribing physicians, P.A.s & N.P.s, so while stats are important, they're not as important as those for treating conventional & ofttimes more straightforward diseases & conditions.
Too late for me 😢 the sink fuks that approved and watched the results need to be punished with their own medicine
If you are a victim, go here for understanding, information and help.
Dr. Josef de Witt-Doerring
Dr. Josef You Tube.
@taperclinic
What a drug riddled society we live in, no wonder people are going nuts
Thank you for getting this out to the world.
There is another component to the situation regarding SSRI dosage --- the age of the patient.
For example, the "standard starting dose" for some SSRIs for the elderly is 10mg per day.
But, for some older adults, even the 10mg per day may be too much.
IMO, the moment a patient taking an SSRI, at any dose, starts to get side effects / adverse reactions, it's time to contact the healthcare professional who prescribed the drug. Don't follow the "get used to the symptoms, they may resolve within a few weeks as tolerance builds up" advice. IMO, the side effects / adverse reactions are the body signalling that it's being given poison (the SSRI.)
There may be circumstances where the patient really needs to be on an SSRI / SNRI while also being in counseling therapy. However, IMO, taking an SSRI / SNRI for many months, let alone for years, sounds like path to avoid.
From the experiences of a person who took an SSRI for over 5 years, and finally made the decision that the continuing side effects were no longer tolerable. Took 7 months to taper down and wean off the drug. That was last year. The process of letting the brain rewire itself is long and not easy, but it's getting done. The tapering down and weaning off were closely supervised by a physician --- this is very important for success in the process. Along with counseling therapy. Along with eating good, healthy food; staying well hydrated; exercise, especially walking; getting outdoors; having a support system of family and friends. Along with never giving up.
Para não perder o cliente, a maioria dos médicos e terapeutas dão remédios, paleativos para os sintomas. Mas não tratam ou curam as causas dos problemas. Infelizmente vivem do comércio das doenças. Gratidão pelo excelnete texto. abraços
What a deservedly HUGE article.
These 'drugs' are just another way to control us/money mill.
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I am going to drop this unrelated comment in here since the guy who doesn’t trust the media became the media. I can’t message the account without subscribing so this is the best I can do I guess. I made this account specifically to put out my amateur research on COVID and HIV. Maybe by some miracle someone reads it and it gets traction. I’m about done mass emailing it to every podcaster and media outlet.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-75965-2
These weight loss drugs need to be banned. They are worse than the others
The homicidal, suicidal, impulses are real. If you think about the consequences of such actions, that logic pulls you out of that horrible thought process.
Seems like many are unable to focus on the consequences and end up going off the deep end.