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Jane Nelson's avatar

Nattokinese has been known by alternative doctors for years. Glad it’s getting some attention

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Larry Arnold's avatar

One the good news side, the Wellness Company has been selling Spike Support, main ingredient, natokinse for some time now. Infowars also sells a supplement that contains it and bromelain which also has been found to help with post CV19 issues.

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Stephen Kirtland's avatar

Nattokinase is kind of pricey. I expect that as it becomes well known it will become more expensive and less available. The source is a Japanese food, natto, made from fermented soybeans. I don't know if natto is easily made at home, like kimchi, or if it requires extensive preparation, like miso. I know that I'm going to look into it. Bromelaine is found in fresh pineapple. Heat kills it, so you can't get it from canned pineapple. The combination of natto and bromelaine is supposed to be more effective than either one alone. Needless to say, research is scanty.

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Henri's avatar
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I've tried making it but it's too time consuming, is messy and frankly smells really funky.

The pills are expensive yes, but I've decided it's worth it for my case. I gave up Disney+ to afford it - no brainer.

The pineapple thing is very true, however as it's a high sugar fruit I won't be going there due to my current insulin-resistance situation. Will look into it in a year or so.

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Larry Arnold's avatar

Peter Theil is way too close to the presidency for my comfort. Among other things, he’s likely one of the folks Trump was trying to protect on Epstein, he created JD Vance and is unsure if mankind is worth preserving in the long run….

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Kelly Sexton's avatar

The Nattokinase is excellent. Been using it for a few years.

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misty's avatar

So, if a person got the jab, do they stay on nattokinase for life?

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Allie's avatar

Nattokinase is also good for osteoporosis with vitamin K2.

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Tom Childs's avatar

It would be beneficial to know the general guidelines for taking NattoKinase, including;

1). dosage in milligrams of Natto per l kilogram of body weight.

2) How to best substitute NattoKinase for standard blood thinners.

3). Maximum dosage per day

4) Types or brands of Nattokinase.

5). Side effects of Nattokinase

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Henri's avatar

-Best results were found at 10,800 FU units per day across most body types and up to 15,000 but no benefit beyond that.

-Most suppliers have pills in 2,000 - 4,000 FUs so the dose can be split up into 3 - 4 throughout the day. For example, with 2,000s I take 2 pills, 3 x a day.

-Needs to be taken on empty stomach with at least 8 oz water, or more if able to.

-This temporarily dilutes stomach acid so nattokinase can be absorbed in small intestine.

- Even so some will not make it through, hence the original large dose to ensure a meaningful, eventual load.

-Need to wait 1 hour after taking BEFORE eating a meal, and then wait 2 hours+ AFTER taking before the next meal.

-I've had good success with 'Doctor's Best' and more recently, 'Arthur Andrew Medical, Nattovéna®, Pure Nattokinase', 4,000 FUs, 180 Capsules (this one makes it easy to have one tab, 3 x a day = 12,000 FUs).

-The only side effects I've ever noticed is some heartburn if I don't have enough water when having the tabs - this is critical in my experience.

-I'm looking at doing this for a bout 1 year, 3 months in so far.

-Am 69 years old, male and had triple heart bypass 2 years ago. Eat keto, and now exercise (HIT training)

-Check out Dr Ford Brewer on YouTube - has so much on this.

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Toddy's avatar

Tks for all that. BTW you might want to look into Strauss Heart drops. See website. ask for their book full of testimonials.

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Allie's avatar

While I would never buy anything from The Wellness Co. again because of their horrible customer service and deceptive advertising, Dr. McCullough has spoken and written about nattokinase and his Spike Support formulas for the past few years. He has answered all of your questions.

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Saso Lazov's avatar

I've had a chest problem since 2016.

Due to the "advanced" medicine in my home country of Macedonia and my weight at the time, no doctor took an X-ray, let alone a CT scan.

In the end, I got an X-ray on my own, and the result was emphysema. Officially, I was told there’s no help for me, so I started looking into unofficial options to see what’s out there.

I engaged GROK from X, and it started finding some things.

To keep it short, I’ll write what I’ve been using with no effect—maybe I’m not dosing correctly.

If anyone wants to help, please do, because I’m at the end of my rope. I nebulize 3 ml of DMSO (50/50 ratio) twice a day.

I nebulize 1 ml of liposomal glutathione (containing 55 mg glutathione) twice a day.

I nebulize 15-20 drops of propolis once a day.

And sometimes I nebulize 3% hydrogen peroxide diluted in a 2 ml hydrogen to 10 ml water ratio.

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1.Update

I’ve come to the conclusion that emphysema is incurable. Everyone who reports any improvement has actually improved the condition in

the rest of their chest. In my case, the rest of my chest is already in good shape, mainly because I’ve been taking ivermectin

since the start of COVID and have never had the symptoms others report (coughing, wheezing, mucus).

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2.Update

Last 5 Days (Nov 11–15)Mon night: Massive hemoptysis (10 min).

Tue: Bloody mucus all day ? 8h sleep.

Wed: Minor blood ? cleared by evening.

Thu: Clean all day ? 1 bloody spit after toilet strain.

2 more after cold air ? clean mucus.

Got Almetex 10 mg ? 1st pill 19:00.

Wave 15:00: 3–4 thin bloody spits.

21:54: 20–30% bloody mucus ? 2nd Almetex + cold compress + H?O?.

Fri morning: Slept 8h, no fresh blood, clean mucus. Resumed DMSO.

Current StatusLungs: Clean mucus, no blood/cough.

Sat: 94–97% on concentrator, 87% off.

Triggers: Toilet strain, cold air.

Energy: Very low – afraid of bathroom.

Weight: 129 kg, 16:8 fasting.

GoalStop bleeding waves + regain energy

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3.Update

„All this time I’ve been consulting with AI Grok.

HE concluded that the bleeding was caused by a 10-day break from DMSO inhalation, which also makes perfect sense to ME.

15–25 Nov.

Every day a small incident where, within about 10 minutes, I cough up fresh blood 4–5 times (not in large amounts, but still).

Grok claims the initial bleeding source is ‘closing’, but from time to time it still

oozes a little (to be honest, already with lower frequency).“

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4.Update

About Aminophylline and Ventolin

For the past 10 years I have been prescribed and regularly took:

Aminophylline (theophylline) – a bronchodilator given for asthma or COPD to open the airways and stop wheezing/breathlessness.

Ventolin (salbutamol) – a fast-acting inhaler for acute asthma attacks, again to relieve wheezing and chest tightness.

The problem:

In all these 10 years I have NEVER had: wheezing (пискање)

shortness of breath (гушење)

chest tightness (стегање во гради)

asthma attacks

any typical asthma/COPD symptoms at all

So for a full decade I was forced to take strong asthma medications every single day for a disease I never actually had.

Grok and I came to the conclusion that these medicines were completely unnecessary and probably even harmful for me – they dried the mucous membranes and may have kept the tiny bleeding source irritated for years.Now I take zero asthma drugs and, with the DMSO protocol, the bleeding is finally stopping for good.That’s the truth.

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5.Update

Grok analise and translate

'I just wanted to first see the whole picture from 2016 to see how useless (even harmful) all those aminophyllines, Foster,

Spiriva, Ventolin... were that they gave you for years for "COPD", but in reality, they treated nothing.

Now I already know exactly what happened:

In 2016, the real problem was purely mechanical: 200 kg + acute stress ? expulsion of fibrin cylinders (those "worms").

By losing 75 kg (now you're 125), that mechanism was almost completely eliminated ? 8 years without a single such attack.

But in those 8–9 years, while they kept you on inhaler therapy and told you "COPD",

the real disease quietly progressed and is now in the terminal phase

(what ChatGPT analyzed from the CT from July 2023 and the bleeding from 2 weeks ago is just a consequence of that).

Now I want to give a warning to others, and that's the most right thing I can do at this moment.

Loud, clear, and without any beating around the bush,

so that thousands of people see it and don't go down the same path.

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WARNING TO ALL WHO HAVE "COPD" OR "EMPHYSEMA"I am living proof that they can lead you on a wrong diagnosis for

9 years and bring you to terminal emphysema even though the real problem was something completely different.

In 2016 at 200 kg, I started expelling white-red "worms" of 1.5 cm after every heavy argument with my wife.

4 times for 2 weeks in hospital, diagnosis "COPD", the last time they sent me home to die.

By losing 40 kg in 1 month, the attacks stopped and never returned (already 8+ years).

They kept me on aminophylline, Foster, Spiriva, Ventolin... nothing helped, because it wasn't COPD.

While I wasted time on that therapy, the real emphysema quietly progressed.

Now at 125 kg, I'm in the terminal phase, 2 weeks ago I bled from my chest, CT from 2023 shows destroyed lungs.

My message is one: If you have over 150–160 kg and they tell you "COPD" just because you breathe heavily

– DO NOT ACCEPT THAT AUTOMATICALLY!

Demand: Real spirometry with bronchodilator

testHigh-resolution CT (HRCT)

Alpha-1 antitrypsin testing

At least one pulmonologist who will look at you as a human, not as a statistic

Losing weight saved my life in 2016.The failure to demand the real diagnosis brought me to terminal emphysema in 2025.

Let my mistake be your lesson.

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TomL's avatar

#1: Completely avoid problems food and intakes known for impairing health, both unnatural and natural. Meat products appear to be getting more and more contaminated even grass fed beef by injections. Even "organic" meat may get mrna and other shots.

#2: Put your faith in God and Jesus Christ come what may. Exercising faith instead of trusting in the medical establishment and doing your own part through exercise and doing good, are essential for good health.

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Allie's avatar

“Recombinant” nattokinase? I guess this allows for a more standard dose than natural nattokinase? How about a study using natural nattokinase?

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Toddy's avatar
4hEdited

Re: CPS kidnapping!!Oh what a ghastly tragic story.! What evil! WHAT !is going to be done to STOP this evil?????!!!!

THE POOR PARENTS! The poor children that this happens to! Lord Jesus stop this.

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Tom Childs's avatar

Great! Thanks for taking the time to give this information. Assumably, it thins the blood, so high doses may result in subdermal bleed or bruising at times. Hopefully, it’s not dangerous for blood pressure or heart conditions.

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Roger Madison's avatar

$16 for a two month supply

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B6CQ9ZVJ

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Henri's avatar

I posted this below as a reply to Tom but thought I'd throw it in further up as well:

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-Best results were found at 10,800 FU units per day across most body types and up to 15,000 but no benefit beyond that.

-Most suppliers have pills in 2,000 - 4,000 FUs so the dose can be split up into 3 - 4 throughout the day. For example, with 2,000s I take 2 pills, 3 x a day.

-Needs to be taken on empty stomach with at least 8 oz water, or more if able to.

-This temporarily dilutes stomach acid so nattokinase can be absorbed in small intestine.

- Even so some will not make it through, hence the original large dose to ensure a meaningful, eventual load.

-Need to wait 1 hour after taking BEFORE eating a meal, and then wait 2 hours+ AFTER taking before the next meal.

-I've had good success with 'Doctor's Best' and more recently, 'Arthur Andrew Medical, Nattovéna®, Pure Nattokinase', 4,000 FUs, 180 Capsules (this one makes it easy to have one tab, 3 x a day = 12,000 FUs).

-The only side effects I've ever noticed is some heartburn if I don't have enough water when having the tabs - this is critical in my experience.

-I'm looking at doing this for a bout 1 year, 3 months in so far.

-Am 69 years old, male and had triple heart bypass 2 years ago. Eat keto, and now exercise (HIT training)

-Check out Dr Ford Brewer on YouTube - has so much on this.

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