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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

“When people stop talking, that’s when you get violence.”

Thank you so much, TVF, for emphasizing this message and reminding people that Charlie would want dialogue, not violence.

This is a message I have been repeatedly trying to get out in an effort to stem the bloodshed the intellimafia is so desperately trying to incite.

I will share a comment I have posted elsewhere and encourage others to read my short essay in my piece on the intellimafia for more details (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/memes-by-themes-20-the-intellimafia):

We need to take all this news with an enormous grain of salt as the intellimafia works hand-in-hand with the media to concoct a narrative that will cover its tracks, and any presentation of this as a lone crazy gunman is the typical formula used to divert attention from the true perpetrators orchestrating public events to manufacture consent for tyranny.

What the killing of Charlie Kirk tells me is the intellimafia is desperate to kick off a violent culture war. They tried to instigate a race war during the 1960s and failed; I am confident they will fail in this effort, too, but it will not be without bloodshed, most if not all executed by the intellimafia and its hired agitators.

We can curtail that bloodshed, however, by identifying the Problem-Reaction-Solution pattern here as well as in all the other intellimafia’s handiwork over the past century:

1) Problem: Assassinate a controversial figure who engenders heated emotions on both sides ranging from admiration to revulsion.

2) Reaction: Violence, strife, exacerbated division, and civil war. This is the ingredient they want the public to supply, but they will seed it with their own agitators and blanket us with propaganda until people succumb (which I pray they won’t).

3) Solution: They will propose heightened totalitarian restrictions, data collection, Palantir-panopticon surveillance, and curtailments of our liberties.

If we repeatedly expose their trap instead of falling into it, they will not be able to justify #3. It is vital that we point our fingers at the puppetmasters rather than their puppets.

Please read the short introductory essay in my piece on the intellimafia from yesterday and help me spread awareness that our greatest defense against the intellimafia’s attempts to sow violent discord is to instead enter into respectful dialogue with our perceived opponents, listening to one another’s concerns, and trying to understand their perspective as they try to understand ours:

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/memes-by-themes-20-the-intellimafia

In other words, we need to rehumanize one another so we experience each other face to face instead of as caricatured villains through screens.

To quote from my essay:

“The intellimafia wants you to think this is about left versus right, gender politics, immigration, race, Trump, and every other hot-button topic they’ve installed in people’s minds so they can mass-manipulate the populace at will.

“They want us to hate, feel outrage, blame the other, strike back, and dive head-last into uncivil war.…

“They want to toss out the ragebait and hide behind the curtain while we dogfight.

“We defeat their attempts to divide, dissipate, and decimate us by refusing to let them play our emotions, cognitive biases, and trauma like a well-worn record.

“We cancel their programming by remembering one another’s humanity, engaging in respectful dialogue, cutting the puppeteers’ strings, and alchemizing pain into love.”

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The Vigilant Fox's avatar

I never realized how beautiful Kirk’s words were until, unfortunately, after his passing. He was truly a righteous man with a powerful message. People can learn a thing or two from his wisdom.

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White Eagle's avatar

Sorry Fox. Charlie was supporting Israel, who's committing Genocide/Holocaust against the Palestinian people for their lands. They've now moved in earnest to do the same to Syria, Lebabon, Jordan and then Iran, if Israel First Trump will only continue to drop bombs on them.

He was not a righteous man. If he was...he would have spoken for Palestine's freedom...not supporting Israel's genocide.

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Barbara Charis's avatar

The West Bank was originally called Samaria and Judea ..and there were no Palestinians there. .

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White Eagle's avatar

Not originally but there are many there now, since the start of Israel's purge of Palestinians off of their lands. Many migrated to Jordan, in the West Bank. If my info is correct, Jordan now has a very large population of displaced Palestinians.

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Evil Harry's avatar

Didn't the Romans refer to it as Palestine?

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Leener's avatar

You are sadly misinformed. Israel is not committing Genocide. Israel was the one attacked on 10/7. It is defending itself. And Charlie was a strong Christian and very good man. Your anger is misplaced and should be directed at “Palestine” not Israel.

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White Eagle's avatar

Clearly you didn't get the correct info on that Oct 7 attack. But it's also clear you've been getting incorrect info for decades...either that or you're Jew and will defend Israel's genocide of 77 YEARS of the Palestinians.

Sorry, I'm sure you're a nice person...I just don't have the time or inclination to debate someone who hasn't a clue what's going on.

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Be Concerned's avatar

Exactly right. And they're rooting out & destroying Hamas, terrorists who are the ones harming people & posting pictures, saying it's from Israel. They need to be destroyed so the people can live in peace.

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Jean's avatar

In the Words of Jesus Christ;

Revelation 3:9

Behold, I will make THEM OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT DO LIE; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

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Evil Harry's avatar

Charlie had recently started to question Israels culpability in Oct 7th.

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Be Concerned's avatar

No, Israel is not committing genocide/holocaust. You're not listening to the truth. I listen to reports from missionaries & such who actually live there. They continually say that before doing any strikes in Gaza, they warn the people so they can get out of the area -- unheard of in war, to let people know what you're going to do, but they do this because they don't want to hurt innocent people.

Just like the US went after Afghanistan after 9/11 (even though that's not who is responsible for 9/11), Israel is going after Gaza for the horrific atrocities they committed on Oct 7, 2023, & they want Hamas OUT, which needs to happen. You do know that they cut babies out of women's stomachs, raped women & little girls, killed parents in front of children, & children in front of parents. You need to listen to the truth of what's going on in that area.

Chosen People Ministries is one organization reporting the truth of what is happening. Can't remember others right now, off the top of my head.

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erin's avatar

You think it's virtuous to take sides in the conflict of two groups of brutal maniacs? Fuck that.

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White Eagle's avatar

The Palestinians are not brutal maniacs. They've been the victim during this entire Israeli genocide for over 77 YEARS!!! Get educated, instead of feeding your brain from the Zionist controlled media that lies to everyone about how Israeli's are the victim. They are NOT the victim...they are the EVIL perpetrators of the violence taking place in the Middle East and America...us taxpayers, are paying for Israel to mass murder these people because they want Palestinian lands that the Palestinian CHRISTIANS and MUSLIMS have owned for a few thousand years! In walks in these Zionist JEWS demanding these people give up their lands!

Do you own a home? If so...how would YOU like it if some evil vicious group decided they wanted your house...your property. Would you fight to keep it? You damn well would and that's the ONLY crime these Palestinians are guilty of...protecting their property.

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erin's avatar
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Oh yeah. People who throw gay folks from roofs are really nice people. I know. Folks who build tunnels so they can sneak up on you and kill you, who lob missiles over the border day in and day out, ditto, who blow up ordinary people on buses.. people who come to rape and pillage in raids like the one on Oct 7... nice folks.

You must be desperate to divide the world into black and white.

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HorseLaugher's avatar

Since Charlie Kirk used his words, and he no longer can…are you now speaking on behalf of Mr. Kirk? Are you debating Charlie Kirk posthumously? Is his assassination a win for Palestine? Help me agree with you. Can you?

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White Eagle's avatar

Your comment is twisted. What Kirk stood for was also twisted. Israel is a Terrorist organization that has been slaughtering Palestinians for 77 YEARS. How anyone can consciously align themselves with a terrorist organization...shows me they either have a total lack of understanding of what's going on or they KNOW what's going on and are probably paid controlled opposition. Either position is a danger to our country. While I don't feel Kirk deserved to be murdered...I'm against violence and believe in our 1A...the world is waking up to what Israel really is and it's clear tolerance for ignorance is in short supply, as millions are being murdered by Israel.

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HorseLaugher's avatar

So, you are speaking for the assassinated Charlie Kirk telling me what he stood for. A nice, pithy summation of his being.

Will you be able to continue speaking on behalf of Mr. Kirk when future developments surface regarding state, local, and international affairs?

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Terry's avatar

Charlie Kirk constantly documented exactly what he stood for. We are all free to interpret his own well documented words and ideas as we wish. He is not speaking for Charlie Kirk. He is providing his own interpretation of the man's own words.

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Pepper Jackson's avatar

Thank you for this very insightful comment. It's making me look at this tragedy in a different light. And, I'm old enough to have seen several assassinations, so I know that the accused assassin usually isn't who actually perpetrated it.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Sirhan Sirhan perhaps? Lee Harvey Oswald? (I was in 8th grade English when that latter announcement was made)

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

I am grateful to hear that, Pepper, and yes, I was discussing the striking similarities with the intellimafia assassinations of the 1960s with my mom the day this happened. I think they count on people being oblivious to history and just keep repeating the same playbook. They failed to achieve their civil war then, and I think they will fail in this attempt, too, especially with so many more people awake to their machinations than ever before in history.

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MM's avatar

I agree wholeheartedly, this was 100% a professional assassination. Based on forums though, I think those of us who hold this position are in the minority. I hope that changes.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

We were in the minority when we called out the COVID fraud from the outset, too, so that simply reassures me that we're on the right track :-)

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MM's avatar

Very true… funny thing is, I still have people tell me COVID was legit. What can you do?

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

True. Me, too :-) Not nearly as many, though. It’s encouraging how many normies have woken up. Give them time. We can’t force awakening, sadly. The brilliant Meredith Miller taught me that during our Dissident Dialogue:

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/dissident-dialogues-meredith-miller-1-4

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/dissident-dialogues-meredith-miller-5-7

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/dissident-dialogues-meredith-miller-8-9

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/dissident-dialogues-meredith-miller-10-12

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Pepper Jackson's avatar

I so hope you are right about that!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

"Intellimafia"--that's a keeper. Thank you.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Thank you, ViaVeritasVita! I was very pleased with that coinage because it makes the longstanding alliance between intelligence agencies and organized crime explicit, and the more often we use it, the more people will be confronted with that historical reality until it finally sinks in.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thank you---not simply a coinage, but an idea! It's even more of a keeper.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Thank you! If you haven't yet seen it, you'll appreciate my Memes by Themes on the intellimafia :-)

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/memes-by-themes-20-the-intellimafia

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mtman2's avatar

The entire world feeds off the American People monetarily, tho thru the Globalist FIAT setup kickback system via ths FED/IRS and unelected DeepState appointed Agency’s = thru setup Wars and all:

WE even made the CCP what it is;

ALL nations are under the monetary thumb of the Central Banksters and their UN/EU-Agenda's, WEF/WHO, IMF+BIS

Along with all the U.S. & the worlds unelected DeepState agency's with 6ways from Sunday to extract mega money from grift, graft & kickback schemes all intentionally created and left open = for them like USAID that over time altogether totals $Trillions for easy grift as then all to further tbe NWO purposes & enrich the Globalist more,

And those people and nations are loyal to the FIAT "Filthy Lucre" sugar daddy creating 100's of thousands of Treasonous Traitors on the dole,

AND the entire world of nations have been on the take off the backs of the American people;

YES the THE ENTIRE WORLD, and

Donald Trump has been saying this for DECADES NOW = see his old interviews, tho now he & MAGA/america First IS a total threat to them:

Who do y'all think paid for every single war since the Globalist plot on Jeckyll Island-[1910] =

Yes WW-I+II onward in the "Great Globalist Communist Experiment" & planned coming World-Control Gov.

Most everything taught & told is a lie with most real truth ommitted:

Moreover it always moves the world closer to their long planned NWO for Atheist MarXism(1848) is their tool of choice for their One World Government,

It is ONLY Christianity that stands in their way-> the American People & all WE diehard Charlie Kirk's, many of us been saying what Charlie did for decades now onto DEAF EARS from the late 1970's already = even now not 1/2 the nation is even 1/2 Awakened yet:

Tho WE are gaining = is WHY they now are desperate enuff to kill us in broad daylight instead of "accidents+suicides" as usual as in 80 some in the Clinton Chronicles +1,000's more across ths spectrums,

THIS is the main reason that ~

"WE the People" are called the ~

"Sleeping Giant"

The Globalist Cabal/partners & inner circle entitys are now worth $3Quadrillion U.S.Dollars(3kTrillion)

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erin's avatar

I disagree, MAA. I have been one of those attempting dialog across the abyss. The constant stream of hate on the leftist sites was sickening. Outrage farmers providing their sheep with their 2 minutes of hate, eagerly consumed.

Charlie was for dialogue. So was I. I got nowhere, while getting verbally abused. The time for dialogue is over. They truly do want us dead. That's why they keep calling us odious names, in the hope some clueless person will take them seriously and whack somebody they shower with hate.

I am not saying that countering their violence with violence is the answer. But conciliatory babbling about more dialog is... well, fuck that. Y' know? That's where I am at. I am not gonna be with the faction that does this while they pick us off one by one.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

As I said above, “we need to rehumanize one another so we experience each other face to face instead of as caricatured villains through screens.”

I, too, agree it is futile to waste time arguing online. First off, your opponent could easily be a plant posting outrageous comments to provoke rage, or it could be someone feigning interest to waste hours of your time via sealioning. Either way, you’re very unlikely to break through when you’re interacting through a screen.

I’m talking about just having conversations with people you know, people in your community, not random crazies online who may not even be real. If enough of us do that, we could reach a tipping point.

Look into their eyes and listen to their concerns. Try to understand it from their perspective so they know you genuinely care and want to see why they feel and believe this way, and hopefully, they will reciprocate. See my post on communication tips to help avoid contentious and unproductive exchanges:

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/12-communication-tips-to-foster-meaningful

I’m not talking about talking with the hopelessly menticided (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-the-menticided-a-12-step) but rather what I call the swing thinkers, who are open to reason. They represent the majority—as opposed to the fringe crazies paraded before us on screens—and they are likely to be outraged by this violence, even if they disagree with Charlie politically.

Your emotional reaction is exactly what the intellimafia wants. You no longer see people with opposing opinions as individual humans but rather as a dehumanized mob. You are now reacting emotionally to them as a conglomerate “them” instead of fallible humans who have been duped, deluded, medicated, and misdirected through decades of trauma-based mind control, social engineering, and propagandizing.

Your ire should be pointed at the mind-manipulators who lobotomized them. Yes, they are responsible for their actions and vicious words, but they are a symptom of an underlying disease. Once the disease (the intellimafia puppeteering them in this case) is cured, the symptoms will go away.

If we can help them see their strings are being pulled by a shared enemy, we can unite against the cruelites who are keeping us fighting each other while they rob, murder, and exploit us behind our backs.

Once you see this as a Problem-Reaction-Solution script being played out, it is easier to resist falling into their trap, which ultimately leads to imprisonment in global technototalitarianism.

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erin's avatar

I don't buy it, MAA. I am not dehumanizing them, I am fed up with their crap, with their lies, with their personality disordered behavior. They have dehumanized me for months and years on end. "If we can help them" is bullshit.

We should be focused on helping one another.

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

Right, but who made them that way? Who propagandized, social-engineered, traumatized, emotionally manipulated, psychologically-nudged, demoralized, medicated, and menticided them? Those are the ones who deserve your rage, not the weak-minded victims who succumbed to their tactics. If you want the problem to end, attack the root, not the leaves.

I agree we should be focused on helping each other. You don’t have to help them. Just don’t hurt them because that’s exactly what the intellimafia wants.

Think of them as abused dogs who have been trained to fight other dogs. Do you blame the dogs, or do you blame the trainers who made them that way? We need to stop the trainers. The dogs can become themselves again once they are exposed to love instead of abuse.

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Who made them that way? They are neither sheep nor dogs. They are human beings who have made alliance with evil while self-prasing and preening all the time about their compassion and our awfulness. They have been propagandized, and gone willingly into it as well. They are not victims. They are collaborants. They do deserve our rage. Their willingness to be manipulated, and to abuse us, is on their heads.

And at the same time, there are those who pull the strings, yes.

"The dogs can become themselves again once they are exposed to love instead of abuse."

Oh puh-lease. I am so sick of this nonsense. Just hug them more! Argh. Those who enable evil with this crap-talk are also part of the problem.

In severe personality disorders, all you can do is walk away. The few who do wake up, have plenty of resources to lean on, and will be welcome. It's up to them, not up to us.

Cut the kumbaya crap, and think harder. We need some hard thinking at this point, and I know you have it in you. Wishing you well, fellow warrior!

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Margaret Anna Alice's avatar

I think we may be talking about different groups. I agree with your assessment about people with narcissistic personality disorders. I understand that is within their control, and they are responsible for their behavior and should be held accountable accordingly. I have written many, many pieces calling for such myself, including:

• “Eulogy for the COVID Kapos”: https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/eulogy-for-the-covid-kapos-video

• “Letter to the Amnesty-Demanders” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-the-amnesty-demanders)

• “Letter to a Covidian” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-covidian-a-time-travel)

• “Letter to a Colluder” (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-a-colluder-stop-enabling)

I made the distinction above between the hopelessly menticided (the Covidians) and the swing thinkers. The fringe crazies you see on the screen do not represent the majority. They are symbolic ragebait meant to dehumanize the more sane people who may share some similar political leanings but who can be reasoned with. Those are the ones I’m talking about. The ones whose consciences can be pricked and who might contemplate a question you plant on passing. Many of them secretly share your feelings and are just too cowardly to vocalize it, but they will gain courage when they hear others doing so.

This isn’t about kumbaya but about realizing people with differing views aren’t a monolithic mass but individuals, some of whom are open-minded enough to have a conversation.

As Charles MacKay says, “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”

The cruelites are having a jolly old time watching us hate each other instead of paying attention to their criminal activities. All I’m saying is we’ll be a lot more effective if we use our energy to expose the corrupt mind-manipulators and sever their strings. Until we do that, they’ll just keep spawning more zombies to keep the warriors preoccupied in feckless battles.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

It was a professional that did this

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Devlin Sturdevant's avatar

Anyone who has been to a shooting range or hunted deer could do this. 150 yards with a deer rifle and a scope is not difficult.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Watch Nancy Grace YouTube today with former Army sniper and listen to his opinion

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Devlin Sturdevant's avatar

Omg! It’s 150 yards with a scope and he missed his target by 12 inches! This was NOT a professional marksman or even a proficient hunter!

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Phillip Badger's avatar

Missed his target? 😆 he hit him right in the carotid artery! It was a perfect shot.

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

NObody... NOBODY aims for the carotid artery. Particularly not "professionals."

You're just silly.

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Devlin Sturdevant's avatar

The target was not the right carotid artery… The target was, as it always is, between the eyes.

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Dan's avatar

Exactly a professional killer would not even attempt that. He would put one into the heart lungs or aim for the bullseye between the eyes. Even most half assed deer hunters that think they are snipers are smart enough to aim for the boiler room out at 200, 250 yrds. Why would a professional risk a slight windage error or movement of the intended target? Doesn’t make sense does it? Thats without the added nervousness of actually heartlessly and needlessly taking another human beings life. 😔

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Phillip Badger's avatar

Sure, pal. Hitting him in the artery and having the blood explode out of him had zero psychological effects on the viewers. Got it. 😆

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

Unlikely the intent. The POS is not a medical student.

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Cabogirl's avatar

So it was 300 yds .. then it’s 200 and then 200 now you are posting 150.? what is it folks? Gossip ?

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Dan's avatar

Exactly this murderous 💩🛍️ just got lucky. He was either aiming for the head or a chest shot. Nervous and jerked the shot. I could put an entire 30-06 clip into an empty cigarette pack when I was range shooting and hunting at two hundred yrds with a scope. But I don’t hunt anymore with anything but a camera. Loved bow hunting from the ground with no tree stands, antler rattling white tail bucks was a riot. I’m old and certainly no sniper but I could still probably put five shells into a cigarette pack at 150 yrds! 😂😂😂

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LesC's avatar

Marine corps basic training marksmanship starts at 200 yards standing up! And kneeling. At 300 yards kneeling and rapid fire laying down. 500 yards in the prone (laying down). All with open sites. Every marine must qualify in order to graduate boot camp. Now tell me what is so hard about 150 yards with a scope.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

When I was in the Army years ago it was 200 yards and it wasn’t like shooting someone in the throat jugular vain it was hitting a human head or body to the waist

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EwokPathfinder's avatar

The Army shoots out to 300 meters with iron sights… at advanced rifle marksmanship we shot out to 500 meters..

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

DITTO (Nam era).

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Long live the Pimpernel!

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Good for them most people can’t even see 500 yards

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Devlin Sturdevant's avatar

…hence the scope..

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

We didn’t have scopes to use

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Nicole WB's avatar

If he thinks it's difficult then he sucks or is over thinking it. That's why he is "former".

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

They train from 350-1000 yards out listen to him

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EwokPathfinder's avatar

Literally everyone in the Army is required to qualify on a 300 meter range..

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Tony Hunter's avatar

It doesn’t take a professional to shoot a target from 200 yds with a scoped rifle in the prone position.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

That’s your opinion

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Nicole WB's avatar

I could shoot a target at 200 yards, and I'm far from professional. Never been in military or law enforcement, but I practice once in a while. Distance shooting is not difficult when your target is still.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Look I don’t know what happened and neither do you

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Tony Hunter's avatar

Correct. The evidence at this point supports that the antifa-loving scumbag they just arrested is the one who did it. We don’t know what his proficiency with firearms is, but it’s a pretty low bar in order to make that shot.

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

Nope, ask any reasonable proficient hunter. You lack any experience with firearms.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Believe what you want to I’m not gonna argue with you

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

It has nothing to do with "belief". You are inexperienced with firearms and think everyone else is too.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

I actually shared the video on my Substack

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FORD's avatar

What does you sharing the video on substack have to do with your knowledge or lack thereof of firearms? Anyone with minor experience with firearms could have made this shot, whether he got lucky or not.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Maybe you should livestream a video to teach people how easy it is to do.

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

Uh, no.

Go to a military recruit firing range and watch how adept the hundreds of shooters are. Some aren't even able to figure out grenades have to be tossed, quickly, after the pin is released.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Just get a second opinion from a sniper

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Believe what you want to that’s freedom of speech

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E. Grogan's avatar

In the prone position it's pretty hard to miss. Husband is military, even made his own firearms, he knows what he's talking about.

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CHD's avatar

Trained yes, pro no

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

It, also, makes clear the shooter was not a spur of the moment shooter. From the get go, someone had to sight the scope. Then that someone had to have enough experience to take advantage of the sighted scope.

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Tony Hunter's avatar

Correct. This was most likely not the first time he had fired that rifle. The scope would need to be sighted in. That’s maybe 20 minutes on the range. He probably had a lot more practice time than that, though.

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Fred Richmond's avatar

I've seen several SEAL team members say that you needed be a professional to make that shot.

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

No you haven't.

People on Tiktok who claim to be SEALS, maybe.

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Fred Richmond's avatar

Nope. People on TVwho are known to be/have been Seals.

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MM's avatar
4hEdited

The distance/difficulty of the shot actually has zero baring on why this looks like a professional hit. Robinson is a patsy, just like Oswald.

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Tony Hunter's avatar

They can say what they want. 10 million plus deer hunters will tell you that’s silly.

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Dan's avatar

No 150 yrds or 200 is a fairly easy distance. I could put a whole clip into an empty pack of cigarettes at that range when I was range shooting and hunting. I’m no professional shooter. Breath in, breath out, bottom of that breath squeeze your whole hand and don’t pre recoil flinch or jerk your shot. I don’t hunt any longer with any thing but a camera. I actually enjoyed Bow hunting much more than rifle, much more difficult especially if you are not using tree stands and are ground hunting. I would say this murderous 💩 bag either aimed for the head or the chest shot and actually just about missed only got lucky!

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EwokPathfinder's avatar

lol it was a white Christian incel from a republican family in a red state 😂 fucking poetic

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Laura's avatar

Video game generations have been desensitized to violence without consequences.

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archstanton2362's avatar

Yes. The majority of them also have big pharma's chemical soup running through their brains.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Been wondering if our Tyler was on SSRI's.

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EwokPathfinder's avatar

MAGA when their gun culture backfires 😂

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EwokPathfinder's avatar

This kid literally spent most of his time with his MAGA cop dad at the range you fucking idiot 😂

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Julie's avatar

He didn’t do this. Mossad did.

When and where did he learn such accurate sniper shooting skills? Any documented proof of his talent? Nope, I thought so. This is another decoy like Luigi Mangione or Thomas Crooks. Sacrificed dummies. It took a highly trained assassin to make that shot. My thoughts..

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

You are incorrect. Any reasonably proficient hunter or shooter could have made the shot, as anyone who hunts or shoots could tell you. It's a common distance to sight in your deer rifle.

People who insist otherwise have absolutely no experience with firearms and/or have another agenda; e.g. blaming Mossad or some other shadowy agency.

While the shot doesn't negate the possibility of a professional hit, it absolutely does NOT prove it was. Let this go.

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Julie's avatar

Understood. I would want to see documented proof of this suspect’s shooting ability. A defense attorney would ask no less, I believe. That’s all. And thanks for your reply.

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

It's a bit early to ask for "documented" proof, isn't it? He's only just been caught.

It's Utah; the chances are fair that this kid has been deer or elk hunting since he was old enough to hold a rifle.

Also easy enough to join a gun club and practice diligently for a few months and acquire the necessary accuracy if he didn't already have it.

Shooting skills like used in this assassination aren't some mythological attainment; it isn't like being a concert pianist.

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EwokPathfinder's avatar

I believe you’re a fucking idiot

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

It is sad you and others cannot see the blatant irony in fighting the obvious: People tell you they couldn't make the shot, or might have difficulty, and you argue with them.

In truth, more could not make that shot than could. Yes, it's a simple one to those practiced in such things, but, just as many are horrible drivers, the ability to efficiently use a rifle and scope would escape many, even with practice, even at such a short distance, and even with a scope.

Laws for The State of Washington say it well: "Any statement not known to be true is false." RCW 9A.72.080

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

You utterly miss the point, deliberately?

I don't and never would argue with anyone who says they personally couldn't make the shot; lots of people are inexperienced with firearms or just aren't good shots.

What I dispute is the notion that THIS SHOT was uniquely difficult and required advanced sniper training and skills, i.e. a "professional"..

It's absolutely, indisputably true that millions of everyday Americans COULD have shot accurately at that distance and with that very common deer rifle. I didn't claim that everyone or anyone could have done it, and it's ridiculous that you think that's what I said.

To argue otherwise is disingenuous, and leads me to wonder about your agenda.

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

NO, YOU missed the point. You did argue with someone who had first hand knowledge about himself, and was smart enough to know he was not unique.

Many who have range time, or hunted, could miss the shot. As others pointed out, he was, likely, six inches low from his intended target.

I grew up hunting. As did many around me. From that, I know of blunders. For example, one friend got buck fever and jacked all the rounds out of his rifle, before finally pulling the trigger, only to get nothing more than a "click."

In the end, it is utterly stupid to think everyone who tries something becomes proficient at it. Someone ALWAYS graduates at the bottom of the class.

I would not be even slightly surprised if you're one of those arm chair sharpening experts too. The type who insists everyone should be as expert as you at sharpening freehand.

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Dolce Far Niente's avatar

Sorry, friend. You are arguing a straw man for some reason. Please quote me where I was arguing with a particular person who said HE couldn't make the shot. You can't, because I never did.

I said, and I maintain, that it did not take unique skills to make the shot. Millions of Americans could have done the same; it did not take sniper skills. And the fact that you know people who couldn't ? Meaningless.

And... arm-chair sharpening expert? You have issues.

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

Did you or did you not claim the shot was easy, anyone with a scope and who hunted, or, essentially, spent five minutes at the range, could make it, or something to the equivalent?

Start with your use of the word unique. Where is the end point. That is, many can make a 1,000 yard shot, so that isn't unique.

No one said anything about sniper skills. I and others pointed to that someone doesn't pick up a pistol or rifle and, merely that it has a scope, become an expert marksman at 600 feet.

The latter would be akin to "assault rifle" ramblings of the left. You know the ones - there's a racing stripe on that Mustang, so it's really fast. . . .

In the end, our point remains that he didn't just pick the rifle up the day before, figure out how to shoot it, then become a facsimile of an expert by way of some optics.

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Intellect's avatar

There was talk that Charlie had said he was worried Israel would kill him. Mossad set up the frame work, positioned their people and as always it’s someone young and full of hatred.

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Nicole WB's avatar

Not everything is a conspiracy. And its not difficult to make a 200 yard shot if you are practiced.

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SEF's avatar

So is your position that the 2020 election result was "definitely a conspiracy", and this was "definitely not a conspiracy"?

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Karen Sullivan's avatar

Yes yes this was a message to Trump and others with this young man brainwashed to be the decoy

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Susiejoy Barry's avatar

I need to play the devils advocate for the congressman calling for the death penalty. It’s not that I don’t think this misguided little punk deserves it, but I think it plays into their hands! Nearly all assassins and mass shooters know the likelihood of death by cop, when they commit these heinous acts. In fact I think they factor it in and expect to die - it’s synonymous with suicide. They don’t deserve a quick and merciful end. Put them in solitary on an alligator Alcatraz island for life with hard labor and make them SUFFER! They don’t deserve an easy out!!

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Emma Coutts's avatar

I agree - death is toooo easy for these killers

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archstanton2362's avatar

In our current clusterfuck justice system, he'll live longer on death row.

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FORD's avatar

Nope, fuck this guy. Don't even let him live to see others mention his name, which is the attention he's so craves.

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Percey Blakeney's avatar

Laws USED to serve as deterrents. That is much less the case today. This fact is seen by the bleeding heart stance favoring illegal invaders depleting resources for which actual citizens must compete with them.

Future murders with long records, making clear the likelihood they will repeat, are let back onto the street with little and even no punishment. Kids are trained up to believe their youth will shield them accountability an adult would suffer.

Hints of the value of deterrents can be seen by the drops in crime where carry is not hindered (saying it's allowed is the stuff of brainwashing), and by increased authority presence.

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CTEBEN's avatar

a 22yo sharp shooting sniper? I don't buy it

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lhcollies's avatar

At that range, with a scope, you don't need to be a sharpshooter. But it feels as if there is something half a bubble off plumb here.

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CTEBEN's avatar

they selling it. if we are gullible enough to buy 9/11 JFK BS again and again, the jews can sell us farts and we would buy

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FORD's avatar

Speak for yourself. Why the fuck would you buy farts from anyone? 😭🤣

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CTEBEN's avatar

I am not buying. are you buying?

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FORD's avatar

Of course not. Eww.

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CTEBEN's avatar

but, it appears that peeps are buying it, no?

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

"half a bubble off plumb" -- I like that! I use husband's level for lots of things (and my own 3' for hanging wallpaper).

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Graziella's avatar

You shouldn’t get the death penalty, you should get the torture chamber.

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Emma Coutts's avatar

He's a mere patsy!

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Susan Daniels's avatar

This makes no sense. From Townhall News today:

(Governor) Cox further explained that Robinson arrived on the Utah Valley University campus, where the shooting occurred at about 8:29 a.m., in a grey Dodge Challenger. He was “observed on video in a plain maroon T-shirt, light-colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo, and light-colored shoes,” according to the governor.

All the photos have the shooter dressed in black.

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Susiejoy Barry's avatar

It is explained he arrived in a set of clothes changed for the shooting then changed again after the deed. That’s what the fbi / cia spokesman said.

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Emma Coutts's avatar

I bet they did !!!FFs

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Susan Daniels's avatar

They are so full of crap. They also said there were no Epstein files. Never believe the FBI. They are incapable of the truth.

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

Everything about this stinks to high heaven of "Intelligence Agency"; specifically, "Mossad". Tyler Robinson must have been one hell of a marksman, and if he really did it, he's almost certainly a Manchurian Candidate, like Sirhan Sirhan or Mark David Chapman...

PS And the stuff allegedly written on his bullets? Red Herrings.

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Steven Bradford's avatar

Do you seriously believe a father would turn in his son to the FBI if there was even a little chance he didn’t do it. This guy is definitely the assassin.

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

I didn't say he wasn't the assassin. He might be. I'm just saying Mossad is ultimately responsible. I can't prove it. But for me? Again, it stinks to High Heaven.

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Intellect's avatar

Yes. I do believe a Father would turn his Son into authorities. Historically that has happened more than not. A Father that didn’t turn his Son in would be complicit in the Death of Charlie Kirk.

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LeftTheLeft, TrumpIsWayWorse's avatar

If it was beforehand and he could have done something to stop it, absolutely. But in the reality of things, the term "complicit" would seem incorrect.

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Te Reagan's avatar

We need some background on his daddy..

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

PS Do you remember the first thing Lee Harvey Oswald said when they arrested him? "I'm a patsy."

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SEF's avatar

The stuff allegedly written is just too convenient, just too RIGHT for the RIGHT.

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Capt. Roy Harkness's avatar

🎯

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Cabogirl's avatar

Seriously I think he got lucky with that shot.

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Kathy L Mullen's avatar

Where did this 22 year old learn to be a sniper? Or is that just a thing in Utah, that kids learn how to do that? I am in KY and kids hunt here but sniper? It sounds off to me.

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FORD's avatar

How do you think most people learn to shoot guns? By hunting. I don't know why people cannot grasp that this was not a difficult shot and anyone who was remotely familiar with firearms could make it.

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Cindi Good's avatar

We will listen to Nancy Grace and the Sniper show. BUT, my husband who has been a hunter for 45 years had these things to say. He has shot a deer at 350 yards, squatting and using sticks (for stability), he sometimes shoots ground squirrels (at ranchers requests) with .22 a rifle at 100 yards. So it could be done. His main question is: How much practice did this guy have shooting? Also, how nervous would someone be shooting to kill a person (a regular person vs a professional)? Some hunters get sooo nervous just shooting a deer, so he's questioning that.

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michele p's avatar

How did this kid become such a good shot? That is super relevant information.

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FORD's avatar

200 yd is not a difficult shot for anyone who has hunted or is remotely familiar with guns.

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Cabogirl's avatar

He got lucky. I have had lucky shots before .. but certainly not consistency in that.

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Kathryn's avatar

Kirk means “church” in Scotland. This is a highly symbolic murder by the evil ones.

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Douglas Thomsen's avatar

Laughing he didn’t do it listen to the army sniper on Nancy Grace YouTube today

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stowage's avatar

Awesome. Now back to the Epstein files!!

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