The people who are happy one man was killed are everywhere. We can just see more of them now. The same people hate antivaxers and don’t care at all about tens of millions of excess deaths that followed the “vaccines.” They support and glorify mass killers like Fauci.
“They” understand that the unvaxxed put others at risk. You think killing Charlie Kirk is a tragedy (and it is) but potentially killing your family, friends, and acquaintances is a matter of choice. That’s just plain twisted logic.
Spoken like a true moron DemonicRat. Haven’t you come to the realization that the jabs are for depopulation,not what you were brainwashed to believe? Read the evidence, it is everywhere. Even the murdering Fauchi admitted he knew how dangerous they were but pushed them anyway. Wake up
“Democrats” in this day and age are the epitome of willful ignorance… they know for a fact that men can’t be women and women can’t be men… critical thinking is not a thing but there it is..cognitive dissonance on full display… the entire party(if you can call it that) have lost their marbles… so the only thing left for their malleable minds can do is “pretend” and act out.
So your entire view of the democrats is formed by the issue of trans people? There are a whole lot of issues I would worry about before getting to that one. Just saying.
Here’s a dose of reality dimwit… Covid 19 was created for the jab… the jab was not created for Covid 19. and until the perps are brought to JUSTICE, our Republic will not heal.
Fauci states that hospitals might face "tough choices" about who gets an ICU bed if they become too crowded with COVID patients. Jimmy Kimmel follows this up with his monologue: "That choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right on in. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo (ivermectin)? Rest in peace, wheezy". Both disgusting people.
Their detachment from reality and commonsense leaves those with them shaking their heads...
WE're taken back at this mental illness by apprehension, seeing these out of touch being are capable of genocide of all who don't follow their chosen mindsets is Communism's MO
And no comparison between Red China and Hungary were the last Soviet troops left in 1991;
CCP welded people into their homes during C-19 and carves the organs out from non donors to sell for transplants on the world market who are of course killed by the "procedure"
You're aware there can be no real similar comparison of the two nations governing systems...!
They won't even admit that there were any "excess deaths" -- to the point that they will move heaven and earth in order to block actual statistics from the public's view.
Besides Trump picked Kennedy as health counsellor against every lobbyist will. Why does Bernie Sanders and Warren have every day posts hammering that vaccines are safe and asking for Kennedy's resignation? The dead started happening in 2021, Trump was not president if I am not mistaken ?
Exactly. The mass vaccination didn't really get rolling until Biden was sworn in. And Trump never mandated the vaccines, Biden did. Nor did Trump rail about a "plague of the unvaccinated". I'm pretty sure if he'd been in office instead of Biden, those vaccines would have remained completely voluntary, and that the research and statistics regarding dangerous side effects would have been more readily available.
Covid alarm started in 2020 and people were startled and panicked . We did not know what to think. Clinical trials for covid 19 vaccines started in November 2020 . Trump presidency ended in January 2021. Biden's presidency started January 20, 2021. And vaccines cvd19 mandates started November 2021. So I guess the administration most responsible for the dead waxed appear to be the Biden's administration, but like for all liberals reality, dates and figures do not matter.
Federal government employees, Requires federal government employees to be vaccinated by 22 November 2021, unless granted a medical or religious exception.
The Crown of England LOST a court case in Canada that ENDED MANDATES in Canada because this young man was charged with attending a gathering of more than ten people during lockdown. He won his case because THE CROWN COULD NOT PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THERE EVER WAS A SARS COV2 VIRUS.
35million vaxxed are dead Rebecca, and THERE NEVER WAS A VIRUS.
So why is Donald "I Am The Father Of The Vaxxine" Trump still LYING to the American people and telling them there’s a deadly virus and to take the genocidal vaccines???
It sure felt like a virus when my Wife & I contracted it….I guess it could have been the flu… but that’s impossible because, according to the felonious Biden administration,influenza A,B or C disappeared from our biosphere during Covid…only to reappear 2years later…
I agree with you that there never was a virus and that it was a scam but why would you want to put the blame on Trump when the full vaccine roll out took place under Biden and we know that the dems were all for demonising the one who refused to take it . Trump proclaimed he was the father of vaccine in November 2020 at the end of the presidency. They had just been developped and few people knew how lethal they were. You did not comment on Bernie Sanders and Warren that are now pushing for the vaccine every day and so did they for the covid vaccine at the time, Everyday I get a post of Sanders saying Vaccines are safe !
So delusional. Telling the truth about that hatemonger Neo Nazi is not celebrating his death…no one should die for their views or for spewing them like he did. Two things can be true at the same time…you can loathe what he said and did, loathe the scumbag as a failed human and at the same time loathe what happened to him. But make his hateful, divisive, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist ass a martyr? No fucking way. As for the vaccines…they saved millions. MAGA playing politics with them killed at least a million by some estimates. Fauci is a hero. Trump, in supporting the development of the vaccines, did a good thing until his idiot followers made Taco…uh….taco. And now look where we are. Covid is running rampant in the US (you wouldn’t know because they are not allowing it to be reported). Measles are out of control and killing kids. The fucking PLAGUE has turned up in two or three places. And Trump is doing his best Godzilla imitation to our Constitutional Republic. Trump’s death…now that I WILL celebrate.
Silly brainwashed people [from our 62 billion in fraud fines, big pharma] use the words vaxxine as if there was some real/ scientifically tested DBPC study they could cite for you to read! NOooo it's just, Trust our 62 Billion in Fraud fines advertizing departement!
No prominent Democrat cheered the death of Charlie. In fact, they spoke out against the violence and offered condolences. Some random people cheered, which is inexcusable, but no Democratic Party leader did so. Trump, in contrast, publicly enjoyed Paul Pelosi getting hit with a hammer, and Charlie himself wanted the assailant out on bail. Republicans leaders aren’t gentle with the pain of others. Of course, Trump had unkind things to say when Biden got cancer, but his cruelty is why people love Trump.
Did you really say tens of million died from the vaccine? How many tens of millions are you talking about? Twenty million? The population of Florida? I need to offer my condolences to you for losing an entire state worth of loved ones.
tens of millions world wide, I have forgotten the exact figure. Here in Europe , they continue to drop dead at any age unexpectedly , while driving, in their sleep , et... Montagnier the nobel prize had predicted it.
So how many of your acquaintances dropped dead? Hundreds? Thousands? It’s not happening in my area, and if people are dropping dead around the U.S., it’s not showing up in mortality data. I’d love to see your data for Europe.
It is showing up in mortality data but if you continue to make up your mind by just looking around you and not making a correlation and if you don't inform your self in counter information, there is nothing that will change your mind and I am not going to waste time with you.!for your information 4 of my friends or acquaintances died , plus one got severe neurological disorders. Data is available, look for it like I did. If you don't you are either a shill or uninformed and unwilling to be informed.
I did. It shot up to 69.7 million worldwide in 2021 and down to 61.7 million in 2023, after the vaccine was widely circulated. Sorry about your losses. Please don’t waste your time with a shill like me.
There are people who say horrible things online. They are not the party leaders and represent their own views. You know, the same free speech rights as Charlie had. Donald Trump used his free speech rights to gleefully mock Paul Pelosi after a terrible injury. The difference is that Trump is a party leader. Mr Kirk, a very prominent Republican, wanted Pelosi’s attacker out on bail. Kari Lake got a laugh line out of it, although she denied it later, and Don Jr had a fine time posting conspiratorial memes. The Dems have some cruel randos but the Rs have leaders who offer permission for cruelty.
So it must be interesting that you guys think people go to college for 4 yrs and then medical school for 4 more years and then residency for another 3 years to get into a position to hurt people and fool everyone that they are in a profession to care for people?
Yes, you just know there’s a bunch of people out there really happy that someone died. You just know it because you’re against people based on your psychic powers.
The problem is that having reported on Jimmy Kimmel for 10 years living in West Hollywood, his viewership was dropping rapidly to barely 1,000,000 per episode. They knew he was failing. The sad thing is they probably will put him back on because of the immense pressure from the woke left celebrities many of whom went to Epstein’s Island but that’s how it goes.
The entire point of this article, and Charlie’s life’s work, is that speech is, and should remain, protected in the United States of America. Speech alone should not be legally actionable - that’s what free speech means. AG Bondi’s comments this week about hate speech should offend any fan of Charlie’s, as should the heavy handed pressure from the FCC that led to Kimmel’s firing.1
My view it was about time to end the political bias that was foisted on all those who watched the late shows. I quit watching them over five years ago because I saw the character assassination which was a goal of Jimmy and the rest. Had nothing to do with delivering humor.. good riddance to all of them! They were all highly paid character, assassination, cut outs!
Trust me, I’m not sad to see him off the air either - can’t stand that clown - but that’s beside the point. The point is you don’t use government power to silence people you don’t like. Doesn’t matter who’s in charge or who the clowns are. It’s a really important point.
The "government power" did not take Kimmel off the air. It was his employer, which given his ridiculous salary, lost viewership, and inciting rhetoric was their right.
Of course that’s correct. Remember when social media was banning in vogue and we were told , “they are private companies which can do what they want.” Guess what ? So is Disney/ABC.
Of course it’s the employer’s right to terminate him, but that’s not the point we’re discussing. We’re discussing the fact that the timeline includes the FCC threatening his employer - and then he gets fired. So that’s the issue. And we know that happened because the head of the FCC, who apparently doesn’t realize we have a Constitutional Republic and part of his job description is NOT throwing his weight around to get people fired who say things he doesn’t like, so he went around bragging about it, like an idiot.
No the point we are discussing is the disgusting celebration of and lack of acknowledgement of how wrong Charlie’s death was. That’s what this article was about. The fact that people are spending MORE time being outraged that the FCC did their damn job by issuing a “warning” about lying to the public on airways that have specific obligations to the public to tell the truth is absolutely disgusting. It is NOT equal in concern to Charlie’s assassination and the disgusting leftist response to it.
I wish y’all would come out equally enraged with just as many words over the horrific political assassination of a good man. But no, let’s make it about the FCC potentially infringing on free speech. 🙄🙄🙄 Red herring shit
But it's the FCC's job to regulate the airwaves. While the Biden Administration was forced to secretly weaponize the FBI and CIA, and invent new agencies and fund a plethora of public/private NGOs to do its dirty work in censoring a few lonely voices (who were actually telling the truth), the Trump Administration is using the FCC's legally granted regulatory authority to caution the leviatian legacy media (whose lease on certain radio and television bandwith is essentially a monopoly) not to abuse their privilege by lying. Big difference.
You missed some facts so now you sound like a leftist making things up. The FCC had NOTHING to do with his firing. Someone made a comment. That’s it. Go back and look at the facts. Even his employer said I’d had zero to do with FCC. There was internal pressure from the affiliates who refused to put Kimmel back on, so ownership had to do something to appease the affiliates. Maybe looking at the facts instead of making things up might get people to believe you.
Lol, I didn’t make up anything, Bro. The FCC Chairman was quoted as saying ABC would face additional measures if they didn’t address the Kimmel issue. You can search the reports yourself.
And they are allowed to say that by the same free speech you use. The point is that there was ZERO actual pressure from the govt on this. Your premise is fundamentally false.
The issue was never about simply saying something offensive. There is a regulation that applies to everyone on network TV, and no one is permitted to make untrue statements on the air about a crime. Charlie's murder was a crime, Jimmy said the shooter was MAGA and MAGA was only using this to score political points - that is demonstrably untrue. The shooter with the trans girlfriend is NOT MAGA even though his family is. Jimmy had the opportunity to walk back what he said, and refused - you can look that up. The regulation was not created specially to get rid of Jimmy - it's a longstanding regulation about people who are on network TV which operates under the FCC not being permitted to make false statements about crimes or catastrophes. They can actually lie about everything else, and they do, it's just very specifically they can not continue to operate if they lie about crimes or catastrophes. It is sort of like in court, your free speech is not allowed to lie - when you go to court, that is a setting where whatever you say has to be the truth, and when you are talking about a crime, and potential jurors might actually the false statements and be influenced - false statements about crimes are not allowed on the air. But - Jimmy was given the chance to correct what he said, and he refused.
Yes but the advertisers pulled out because of numerous cmoplaints and not wanting to lose their customers. You can search those reports yourself. Plus ABC asked him how he would address this disaster (like, apologize, or say anything to soften what he said, or correct the false statement) and Jimmy said his plan was to double down on what he had already said. That was not going to work for the advertisers or the affiliate stations who were all getting pushback on this from those who loved Charlie. There are more people who loved Charlie, than those who loved Jimmy Kimmel. Today, Sept. 21, they're going to fill a large stadium for a memorial service. Millions of dollars were raised to support Charlie's programs within the first days after his death. Do you suppose Jimmy's advertisers didn't notice? Anyway, it is against FCC regulations to make a false statement about a crime or a catastrophe; Jimmy made a false statement in regard to Charlie's murder, he had the opportunity to resolve this by walking back his statement, he refused and ABC fired did what they did. Jimmy could have prevented this by apologizing or walking it back in some way. Jimmy said the shooter was MAGA and MAGA people were just using this for political points. That was untrue, the shooter was not MAGA. Jimmy refused to admit the mistake or lie. ABC knew it was an untrue statement about a crime, and Jimmy freely chose not to fix it. This is 100% on Jimmy himself. And I just found today, in 2018 when Roseanne Barr tweeted something that got her fired, he said free speech doesn't mean that networks allow you to say vile things without consequences, and that ABC made the right call in cancelling Roseanne. He ought to apply the same words to himself.
Seems that the decline in viewership made it an easy decision and maybe there was a push, but after all the constant character assassination of Donald Trump over the last 10 years says I don’t blame him! If I had been publicly ridiculed like that I would’ve probably commit suicide within a year.
And cutting down decent normal people IS why this warped individual was hired and is paid to do and he's an overacheiver at it,
Now drawing strong criticism enuff to be hand slapped by the scum that would hire such a man for that purpose for being antithetical to any decorum of decency,
In laymens terms he's a creepy jerk with a warped outlook normal people recoil from and would personally revile...!!!
While technically and legally Carr’s statement didn’t cause the firing, can we at least agree that it was a tactical error? It gave the left a talking point they would not have had if Carr had said nothing. Naturally, leftist media will repeat “It was Carr’s naked threat” over and over. Their followers, who prefer explanations that fit on bumper stickers, will never hear the other (and maybe only) reasons Kimmel was fired. That was a predictable as the sun coming up this morning.
Carr should have let it play out organically instead of trying to tip the scale. Remember the Twitter Files? Democrat officials didn’t openly threaten. They had the FBI call and email social media companies and silence people they didn’t agree with insidiously, behind the scenes. Do I approve of that? Absolutely not. Carr’s open threat and the last administration’s secret censoring (and open threats-remember Joe Biden telling the unvaccinated that his administration was running out of patience with them?) both prove that the propensity to abuse power is part of the human condition, regardless of who has more power at the moment.
We’d rather argue with each other over which side has the bigger propensity to abuse than to limit all government power to protect all of us no matter which party won the last election. If only enough of us had the maturity and intelligence to stop yelling out bumper stickers and acknowledge the glaring common interest between the left and right in protecting speech from government overreach.
How was that political bias any different from what Fox News is doing?
isn’t democracy also about choice? It choose to watch Jon Stewart and I choose not to watch Fox News….
No one is foisting anything on me. Except now the government is.
Exceptional hypocrisy from someone who claimed that limits on free speech ended when he was inaugurated. And his VP who went to Europe and lectured them on their limits to free speech.
All they really want is to be able to spew racist and sexist hatred with no repercussions. And they want their followers and allies over seas to be able to do the same.
His entire nationwideprime demographic had DROPPED to the smaller than the size of ONE medium county in Florida. Money loser. He then lost 40 affiliates that pulled him off. Even greater losses.
There should be free speech, I agree, but some of the vile, hate filled comments on social media were more than that-they were ENCOURAGING & applauding violence-like Destiny, for example. He said outright that Conservatives should be worried, that they should be killed. He’s one of the “big names” who said it, but many who lost their jobs were just as bad. They crossed a line from speech to incitement.
I don’t believe even incitement should be illegal - what’s going to happen when conservatives are on the outs and we want to try and organize, for example? Have you forgotten J6 so soon? Stick and stones can break your bones, but words can never hurt you - nor should they. The government doesn’t have the right to imprison you, get you fired, or otherwise restrict your speech, movement or association based solely on what you say. That principle truly cannot be overstated. You give them that ability, and soon, like in the UK, Germany and Australia, you can be jailed for a post on Facebook. That’s ridiculous. People are responsible for their own behavior - so if someone can be “incited to violence” by someone else’s speech, you just made my words responsible for someone else’s actions; absolutely do not agree with that. We are each responsible for our OWN actions - makes no difference what someone else said, or didn’t say, or did, or whatever. I am responsible for my actions; you are responsible for yours. Period.
Yes, we are responsible for our own actions. I agree that Government shouldn’t be punishing people based on speech, but employers do have the right to fire people who don’t fit the values of their company. Social media is radicalizing young people, in particular, like Charlie Kirk’s killer. It’s telling them that it’s ok to kill people over their politics. That shouldn’t be acceptable. Re: J6-it was a set-up. National Guard not deployed, Government operatives deployed in the crowd to incite violence. Anyway, that’s not analogous to social media posts telling people it’s ok to murder someone you don’t agree with.
That is true if it is independent, thought and expression, and not an organized psychological
Weaponized effort to change mindsets. It is a form of psychological warfare intended to manipulate and herd humanity.. that was well demonstrated with the Covid con and it was well demonstrated with the attack on Donald Trump! I cannot believe the discourse that has been created in the last 10 years that has negatively affected most Americans lives! My peace of mind has been shattered, and I’m angry that I am being subject to mental manipulation.
The result is, I have met people that are so polarized in their understanding and have hatred for political figures. It is beyond my belief. !
It sounds like you’re describing propaganda, which was illegal for the government to engage in domestically before Obama signed a “modernized” version of the Smith-Mundt Act in 2012. One could argue this is the true font of the constant barrage of messaging, programming and propaganda that we are assaulted with everyday, on topics ranging from Climate Change to Foreign Policy (“Israel is our greatest ally!”), to energy policy (“Electric everything is awesome, Guys!) to public health policy (“safe and effective”, anyone?) and on and on and on it goes. Now that you know when it changed, and for what reason, you have what you need to organize your neighbors and campaign your Representatives to repeal it!
I agree that we should be free to say whatever we want. That doesn't mean that if you say something that offends your boss, there won't be consequences. It just means they can't put you in jail, like they did with Douglass Mackey for posting a joke meme about Hillary on Facebook. Seven months in jail! That is OUTRAGEOUS!
Absolutely agree that government is prohibited by the constitution from censoring all but a tiny slice of speech, and we should resist all efforts to expand that tiny slice. Non-governmental employers, on the other hand, have the right fire employees for virtually any reason or no reason at all (discrimination against protected classes aside).
Carr, a public official, should have said nothing on the subject of Kimmel’s suspension. By speaking up, he has allowed the narrative to be framed as Trump administration overreach, when it already appeared ABC was going to take some employer action against Kimmel. We’ll never know what influence Carr’s threat had because Disney and ABC will deny any influence (Disney already has), but it was an unforced error on Carr’s part.
Julie: “People are responsible for their own behavior”… you are correct! ABC is not the govt, ABC is owned by shareholders and they are the ones who fired Kimmel, no one else!
Do not conflate government with a left leaning enterprise.
He gave them the perfect excuse to fire him, without having to cite declining viewership and departing advertisers. The FCC should stay out of it and just let these shows fail on their own. As Matt Taibbi says, it is really entertaining.
“The problem is that having reported on Jimmy Kimmel for 10 years living in West Hollywood”: what does that even mean? And what does it have to do with why they fired him? Nothing.
There’s a few certainties I’ve come to realize in life as of late… This whole “trans” debate/issue could be completely solved in about 28 days if these pervert men could get their period! And second, have Jimmy Kimmel start a podcast so we can show him, in real time, how many people want to hear what he has to say, all three of them.
The First Amendment protects citizens from government censorship or restriction of speech. It does not restrict private companies from setting their own workplace policies regarding employee conduct and speech.
In most US states, employment is "at-will". This means an employer can terminate an employee for any reason or no reason at all, as long as the termination isn't for discriminatory reasons (like race or religion) or illegal retaliation.
Additionally, Kimmel is just not funny. Late night talk shows are not funny.
Letterman was funny until he became a grumpy old man opining about politics. It’s been a steady downhill slide for a couple of decades.
Why not play reruns of Marx Brothers movies or the Best of Johnny Carson? Or just get a good night’s sleep by turning off the sewage flowing into our brain? We’d all have a better attitude if we didn’t eat, drink and sleep politics.
Yes! We had funny talk shows like Johnny Carson, Bob Hope, Lucille Ball, Carol Burnett... so many shows that allowed us to laugh at ourselves and situation comedy. What happened?
And that’s fine - but ABC didn’t appear to be firing him for ratings, did they? They had left him on the air for years in spite of his ratings slide. And it doesn’t help when the head of the FCC brags about pressuring ABC. Why do that??? Let them fire him on their own. That’s the point of the article. No one is sad to see that clown go; but that’s not the point, at all.
Advertisers and affiliates have been unhappy with Kimmel/Colbert for years due to their ever-shrinking audiences and complete lack of effort to appeal to anyone but boomerlibs and older Gen X women.
I’m glad that they availed themselves of the opportunity to “suspend”this guy. The whole “late night” demographic has been changing anyway, those who choose to doom-scroll can now do so 24/7, they don’t have to stay up “late” to enter their lunatic leftist bubbles anymore.
I think their viewer demographic is simply aging out, via death or simply not staying up very late, which is quite common in the elderly, and they're not being naturally replaced by the next generation like they used to be. This is not just late night either, the average age of Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc. viewers just keeps on going higher into the late 60s and 70s.
As you said, people have other options and streaming content platforms have broken most people under the age of 60 out of the practice of watching a TV show during it's time slot, versus watching whatever they want whenever they want to.
I’m just guessing that a lot of the unappealing mouthpieces that have recently been swept aside were never popular, just serving a political purpose after Smith Mundt was modernized to allow propaganda.
I read that Jimmy's advertisers were pulling out of the show - because people were offended and letting the sponsors know. The affiliate stations were getting pushback because people were offended. As Erin Elizabeth said, viewership has been down, and that is a problem, but pair that with loss of advertising dollars, and the affiliates not wanting his show, it's not simply politics. There is also the issue that when you are on network TV, you are bound by the regulations of the FCC, which has a regulation about false statements about a crime or catastrophe. This was a crime, and Jimmy made a false statement. The network gave him a chance to correct it, and he refused. Sorry, the shooter was not MAGA, and everybody except Jimmy Kimmel seems to know that. But this is not government controlling his free speech - when you are on one of the major networks under the FCC, on that platform, you can't tell untruths about crimes or catastrophes. Lying on TV seems to actually happen a lot these days, but in this case, the untruth was glaringly obvious to the vast majority of many viewers as well as advertisers, network executives, affiliate management, FCC - everyone. So, he lost his job when he refused to walk back what he said. There was no choice other than the network dropping his show. Bill Maher did a good job in what he said about it.
There were many reasons I would have fired Kimmel years ago if I was his employer. But Carr was a government official and his public statements are all the leftists will ever hear or believe caused the firing. If Carr had not tried to speed up or insure what already looked like inevitable employer action against Kimmel, none of us would be having to try to convince others there were reasons for the firing other than Carr’s statements. IMO, Carr made a tactical error by piling on to an organic response viewers, affiliate stations, advertisers and Kimmel’s employers were already having. He handed leftists a “government overreach” narrative they would not have if he’d just let the situation play out.
True, but the liberals would have cried about it and used their control of media to make his firing a talking point(more than the murder) in any case. Exhibit A: Colbert’s non renewal of his contract and money losing show.
That woman in the red dress on the panel was looking to push back on every point Maher made, even free speech and common decency. My guess is she was instructed to be an asshole or she never listened to a word Kirk said. But I have, and while I don’t necessarily agree with his overarching religious theme, I never heard him say anything bad about anybody. He was always reasonable, articulate, knowledgeable and respectful.
People who have walked away from the Democratic party are not former liberals, they are the people who have retained their liberal values, an important liberal value being free speech. The Democratic party is totalitarian, which has nothing to do with liberal, it wants to control everything people say and do, the opposite of liberal values.
Mahr is one of the very few whose mind is not mentally constipated nor lacking brain cells. Mahr is able to be objective and deliver a truthful message as opposed to one filled with lies and hatreds that penetrates minds identical to theirs.
Events like this show people's true colors. There are many ugly people in this world who mask that ugliness in audacity, audaciousness, glamour, and glitz.
However, this behavior is not limited to Hollywood, its everywhere. If we treat everyone as individuals instead of a member of a cult or cast, we would all be better off. You should be able to be allowed to love the person despite their flaws as no one is without them. When we focus our lives on what brings us together, the world is a better place.
This is not to say some people are genuinely evil, they exist. However, there are telltale signs of good people. Those with children who nurture their families, take care of their property, follow gods commandments, pick up others trash, who say thank you and your welcome, hold the door for others, say kind words to strangers. Every time we focus on these things, the world becomes a brighter place.
This is beautiful and I agree wholeheartedly. The destruction of the individual is always disastrous and we all know where this cult-like mob mentality leads. I hope more people wake up and learn to stand for their own set of values.
I watch Tucker occasionally on my computer -- cancelled my TV service. Watched vids of Megyn interviewing Charlie, then interviewing the friend of his Frank Turek. I don't watch either regularly.
The best thing that could happen is Jimmy Kimmel and his ilk are not cancelled because of some outside authoritarian actions, but because people simply quit watching his show and similar shows. That way there is no way to cry "censorship" because the shows were cancelled because they couldn't sell advertising because no one was watching the trash. They're sad little monsters and no thinking person of integrity would ever have anything to do with them.
That's exactly why Kimmel was canceled. He wasn't funny. Viewership had tanked;
and so had profits. Jimmy lied and said a MAGA person had killed Charlie; even though evidence had proved he was a liberal (from a MAGA home), who had a love relationship with a liberal man transitioning to a woman. Jimmy refused to apologize for his lie;
and was going to double down on the lie.
He was fired because of all those things; rightfully so.
That is exactly what happened. Advertisers were puling out, and affiliate stations wanted to drop him because people were offended. If nobody will buy your ads... that is not sustainable. And that is what happened. Plus, ABC knowing that FCC regulations had been violated and Jimmy refusing to apologize, make a correction or in any way walk back what he said. He totally had the opportunity to do that and 100% refused. He sealed his own fate on that. In spite of advertisers cancelling and in spite of affiliates not wanting the show - he had the opportunity to walk back what he said that was untrue, and he would not. Nobody should be blaming anyone other than Jimmy for what happened. He is the one who should not have tried to make political points when so many were grieving.
The networks should be having their news shows display graphics showing how much money and viewers Kimmel and Colbert were losing until people get the message that these guys weren’t successful talk show hosts and they were kept on air far longer than any money-losing series would have been.
9 years ago, as soon as Trump beat the Red Queen, the hate from the left began in earnest.
The left couldn't believe their woman lost to a male chauvanist pig.
Here we are 9 years later, after their second 'self-proclaimed' liberal woman has lost and the hate, the derangement, and the vile nature of their politics is all they have.
When I was 18 years old in 1969, I was a self-proclaimed bleeding heart liberal. I actually believed murderers and rapists could be reformed. Over the years that followed, the constant wars that killed and maimed many, seeing one of my young lady friends brutally raped, has helped me to gain a more conservative view of the brutal world we live in.
The word 'liberal' today has in my opinion no similarity to what the word meant to me in 1969.
Getting older opens ones eyes to reality.
Blind loyalty to a political party rather than the belief of the old adage, 'love one another' is the main reason for the escalation of hate in America.
The two party system must change to allow more representative political parties to emerge.
Only then will hate begin to take a backseat to all us loving one another.
Weaponizing the mentally ill will end whatever free speech we have left if those who exploit them aren't prosecuted for the worst form of child abuse that is preventable. The mutilation of child sex organs approved of by the medical quacks, psychologist quacks, and the sperm donors who tell their children their biological sex is a "choice" would be prosecuted in a sane world. The Marxist ideologues & Globalist Cult fanatics who promote transgenderism & gender fluidity may not actually believe their lunatic theories, but they acquire power & control otherwise impossible to them for a nihilistic philosophy that disposes of their prey after eliminating their Nationalist opponents & "Capitalist" enemies.
If you thought sex organs, body type, anatomy, and biochemistry were the only differences between the two sexes, you are just scratching the surface. Biology matters, and ignoring this reality is a form of civilizational suicide that will devalue the human condition: https://crev.info/2018/12/biological-fact-men-women-different/
Transitioning children is one of the most egregious crimes in American medical history
But, Bill Maher, regarding your free speech argument, We The People do not have to grant a license to use Our Public Airways so that outright lairs and truely stinking piece of shit people can broadcast "their", the evils', vial speech to millions of people. Many more need to be, your words Bill Maher, "shit canned".
Good Riddance to the stinking rubbish of dowd and kimmel
The issue, in my opinion, is that the “we” who do not have to grant a license changes with each new administration. The power to label speech as vile and silence it was misused by the last administration to silence doctors who questioned the safety of COVID vaccines, people who stated the opinion was that a man cannot turn himself into a woman, and people who said George Floyd died of a drug overdose. The arbiters of what is vile is constantly changing.
What is vile and evil does not change. Some arbiters are right and some are wrong. In these evil times some arbiters are Good and some arbiters are evil
The power to label rightful free speech as vile and silence it was misused by the last administration who failed to uphold The Constitution, The Law, The God Given Right to Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness and by continuing to kill real treatment for covid, to create Fear, to force an experimental, toxic, tested and shown unsafe, gene therapy, covid "vaccine" injection they Depraved-heart mass murdered millions of people in the US and the countries that follow the US "leadership". vile and evil
We The People grant a license to use Our Public Airways through our elected representatives who oversee the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). It regulates communications by radio, television, and other media to ensure compliance with federal laws. Laws written by our elected representatives who responded to the will of The People and in this instance fulfilled their duty to understand outright lies and vile falsehoods broadcast over the public airways are not protected free speech.
The issue, in my opinion, is that we are in the midst of -
The Battle for The Future of Life on Our Planet Earth - GOD / GOOD vs evil
A Long Planned Golden Age of Freedom And Opportunity For All vs "their" long planned, information control, mind control, economic control, total control worldwide surveillance state leading to evil's genetically modified, depopulated, dystopian taking of Our Planet Earth rendering Our Planet Earth unfit for the life of souls created by God.
Who cares? Experts (snipers, military, former military, those seeing various videos from the event, and on and on) know what a patsy is, know this was not as officially portrayed. Its really trivial to search on, say, X, using Grok, and say "tell about alternative possibilities gleaned from videos recorded at the event, from experts in weaponry and rifles, from investigative journalist George Webb, and so on. One can either watch the show being put on, or delve just a bit to find out that the official story is hogwash, AI wrote letters not this 22-year old, and so on. https://x.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1968830483266949278. https://x.com/BenSwann_/status/1969160879078842609https://x.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1950906030281707733https://x.com/Bethhagendorf/status/1967784601692028932 Criticisms and Questions from ExpertsNumerous experts—including former military snipers, ballistics analysts, and independent investigators—have labeled aspects of the official story as "ludicrous" or implausible, pointing to inconsistencies in physics, biology, psychology, and evidence handling. This isn't limited to fringe sources; it's echoed in media analyses, Reddit discussions, and detailed breakdowns. Key points:Sniper and Ballistics Expertise: Former Army sniper Koa Lorimer analyzed the 200-yard shot, noting it's within standard military qualification ranges (starting at 300 yards), but requires extensive training, reconnaissance, and practice in varied environments (e.g., accounting for wind). He highlighted the weapon (a .308 bolt-action with a high-powered scope) as suitable for precision, with a spent round left in the chamber to avoid evidence at the nest. However, this level of planning and execution suggests a highly experienced shooter, not a novice, raising questions about the suspect's background. Lorimer implied range logs and site visits could identify them, but critics argue the official amateur profile doesn't match
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Video and Trajectory Analysis: Surveillance footage shows the person of interest escaping, but independent analyses (e.g., by researcher "ro317") argue the bullet's path—constrained to a narrow 3D "corridor" (20°–28° azimuth right of Kirk's nose, 5°–7° depression)—limits shooter locations to specific blind spots like a shaded terrace (90–120m range), not the broader "roof zone" in official reports. Canopy obstructions, bright sun exposure, and wound dynamics (favoring a yawing 5.56 NATO over a clean .30–06 punch) contradict the claimed setup. This suggests the official trajectory math "doesn't agree" with physics, implying a coordinated professional hit rather than a solo amateur
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Biological and Psychological Implausibilities: Under stress, a 22-year-old amateur would face 160–180 bpm heart rate, causing tremors and tunnel vision, making a millimeter-precise neck shot (10–12cm window) nearly impossible. Elite marksmen struggle with sub-2 MOA accuracy in such conditions, and quick exfiltration without signs of panic (e.g., sweat) is "biologically absurd." Psychologically, crowd mis-localization of sound, decoys, and chaos manipulation explain the lack of clear phone footage, but this points to support teams and pre-planning, inconsistent with an isolated actor
This is the best account I've seen of what likely happened, thank you for the link! Had to watch at 1.25x speed, he stammers a lot. I wish he had mentioned the brown-shirt guy in front, who many have said shot Charlie with a palm pistol. Doesn't appear that could've happened, though it does look like what is happening in the videos. Also, no one talks about the F in Freedom totally disappearing from Charlie's shirt for a time, in the Camera 2 & 3 videos.
Welcome. Some have said the timing was to (i) provide a time buffer for implementing final extermination of all people in Gaza (i.e., distract people from the genociding) that is the clear and obvious goal, (ii) distract and attempt to nullify growing awareness that 9-11 was nothing at all like the "official story", and that the same country that is genociding all in Gaza now, played an intimate role therein. Rational arguments thereto have been presented--also not difficult to find such as through posts on X, with Grok. Noting this as an interesting method of exploring a 'database' of (Grok says) ~600M users of X, that might post on "this or that".
The people who are happy one man was killed are everywhere. We can just see more of them now. The same people hate antivaxers and don’t care at all about tens of millions of excess deaths that followed the “vaccines.” They support and glorify mass killers like Fauci.
The same people who,said hospitals should turn away the “unvaxxed.”
“They” understand that the unvaxxed put others at risk. You think killing Charlie Kirk is a tragedy (and it is) but potentially killing your family, friends, and acquaintances is a matter of choice. That’s just plain twisted logic.
Spoken like a true moron DemonicRat. Haven’t you come to the realization that the jabs are for depopulation,not what you were brainwashed to believe? Read the evidence, it is everywhere. Even the murdering Fauchi admitted he knew how dangerous they were but pushed them anyway. Wake up
I do not debate with radical ignorance. Goodbye.
“Democrats” in this day and age are the epitome of willful ignorance… they know for a fact that men can’t be women and women can’t be men… critical thinking is not a thing but there it is..cognitive dissonance on full display… the entire party(if you can call it that) have lost their marbles… so the only thing left for their malleable minds can do is “pretend” and act out.
So your entire view of the democrats is formed by the issue of trans people? There are a whole lot of issues I would worry about before getting to that one. Just saying.
Here’s a dose of reality dimwit… Covid 19 was created for the jab… the jab was not created for Covid 19. and until the perps are brought to JUSTICE, our Republic will not heal.
And “they” were dead wrong.
Nope. Read note below
Fauci states that hospitals might face "tough choices" about who gets an ICU bed if they become too crowded with COVID patients. Jimmy Kimmel follows this up with his monologue: "That choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack? Yes, come right on in. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo (ivermectin)? Rest in peace, wheezy". Both disgusting people.
That quote was one of the most ignorant, vile things uttered on television, and should have gotten Kimmel fired.
Yeah, the consequences for stupid decisions is so unfair.
That does seem to be the case...
Their detachment from reality and commonsense leaves those with them shaking their heads...
WE're taken back at this mental illness by apprehension, seeing these out of touch being are capable of genocide of all who don't follow their chosen mindsets is Communism's MO
And total control of all the people whonhave no Rights:
There are some interesting people in this thread.
There's far more to things then that janice,
And no comparison between Red China and Hungary were the last Soviet troops left in 1991;
CCP welded people into their homes during C-19 and carves the organs out from non donors to sell for transplants on the world market who are of course killed by the "procedure"
You're aware there can be no real similar comparison of the two nations governing systems...!
They won't even admit that there were any "excess deaths" -- to the point that they will move heaven and earth in order to block actual statistics from the public's view.
But,but the poor Palistinians.
"They support and glorify mass killers like Fauci."
And Trump! Donald Trump has killed more Americans than all our wars combined.
Can you elaborate and tell which are the people Trump supposedly killed ?
"...the people Trump supposedly killed"
All the dead vaxxed.
35million vaxxed are dead. Millions are sick and dying.
Funeral Directors are ordering 30% more Infant-Child size coffins, up from the 20% increase in '23.
Why is Donald Trump still LYING to the American people and telling them the vaxxines are safe, and to take them???
Every time he brags about Warp Speed.
Besides Trump picked Kennedy as health counsellor against every lobbyist will. Why does Bernie Sanders and Warren have every day posts hammering that vaccines are safe and asking for Kennedy's resignation? The dead started happening in 2021, Trump was not president if I am not mistaken ?
Exactly. The mass vaccination didn't really get rolling until Biden was sworn in. And Trump never mandated the vaccines, Biden did. Nor did Trump rail about a "plague of the unvaccinated". I'm pretty sure if he'd been in office instead of Biden, those vaccines would have remained completely voluntary, and that the research and statistics regarding dangerous side effects would have been more readily available.
But Danno, that was YEARS ago.
Why is Donald "I Am The Father Of the Vaxxine" Trump STILL LYING to the American people and telling them the deadly vaxxine is safe, and to take it???
I absolutely agree.
Covid alarm started in 2020 and people were startled and panicked . We did not know what to think. Clinical trials for covid 19 vaccines started in November 2020 . Trump presidency ended in January 2021. Biden's presidency started January 20, 2021. And vaccines cvd19 mandates started November 2021. So I guess the administration most responsible for the dead waxed appear to be the Biden's administration, but like for all liberals reality, dates and figures do not matter.
Wikipedia
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Federal government employees, Requires federal government employees to be vaccinated by 22 November 2021, unless granted a medical or religious exception.
Its time to take the red pill Rebecca.
THERE NEVER WAS A VIRUS.
Or a need for lockdowns, masking or vaxxines.
The Crown of England LOST a court case in Canada that ENDED MANDATES in Canada because this young man was charged with attending a gathering of more than ten people during lockdown. He won his case because THE CROWN COULD NOT PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THERE EVER WAS A SARS COV2 VIRUS.
https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends-masking-shots-quarantine-in-alberta.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=4
35million vaxxed are dead Rebecca, and THERE NEVER WAS A VIRUS.
So why is Donald "I Am The Father Of The Vaxxine" Trump still LYING to the American people and telling them there’s a deadly virus and to take the genocidal vaccines???
Every time he brags about Warp Speed?
It sure felt like a virus when my Wife & I contracted it….I guess it could have been the flu… but that’s impossible because, according to the felonious Biden administration,influenza A,B or C disappeared from our biosphere during Covid…only to reappear 2years later…
I agree with you that there never was a virus and that it was a scam but why would you want to put the blame on Trump when the full vaccine roll out took place under Biden and we know that the dems were all for demonising the one who refused to take it . Trump proclaimed he was the father of vaccine in November 2020 at the end of the presidency. They had just been developped and few people knew how lethal they were. You did not comment on Bernie Sanders and Warren that are now pushing for the vaccine every day and so did they for the covid vaccine at the time, Everyday I get a post of Sanders saying Vaccines are safe !
The evidence is in Communist China… and the University of North Carolina…Where else could it be but ground zero?
…oh and quite possibly bill gate’s burn basket…
Yep…He wiped out life on Mars too!
So delusional. Telling the truth about that hatemonger Neo Nazi is not celebrating his death…no one should die for their views or for spewing them like he did. Two things can be true at the same time…you can loathe what he said and did, loathe the scumbag as a failed human and at the same time loathe what happened to him. But make his hateful, divisive, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist ass a martyr? No fucking way. As for the vaccines…they saved millions. MAGA playing politics with them killed at least a million by some estimates. Fauci is a hero. Trump, in supporting the development of the vaccines, did a good thing until his idiot followers made Taco…uh….taco. And now look where we are. Covid is running rampant in the US (you wouldn’t know because they are not allowing it to be reported). Measles are out of control and killing kids. The fucking PLAGUE has turned up in two or three places. And Trump is doing his best Godzilla imitation to our Constitutional Republic. Trump’s death…now that I WILL celebrate.
Fauci is a Hero?? You need to go back to your home planet….
Not good to go against the ‘official’ party diatribes…no matter which side is being defined. 🙊
Silly brainwashed people [from our 62 billion in fraud fines, big pharma] use the words vaxxine as if there was some real/ scientifically tested DBPC study they could cite for you to read! NOooo it's just, Trust our 62 Billion in Fraud fines advertizing departement!
I am curious about what you think caused tens of millions of excess deaths? Vaccines?
Add 2 and 2, what has changed since the significant surplus of deaths in the last 4 years ? and embalmers finding strange rope like material in veins
No prominent Democrat cheered the death of Charlie. In fact, they spoke out against the violence and offered condolences. Some random people cheered, which is inexcusable, but no Democratic Party leader did so. Trump, in contrast, publicly enjoyed Paul Pelosi getting hit with a hammer, and Charlie himself wanted the assailant out on bail. Republicans leaders aren’t gentle with the pain of others. Of course, Trump had unkind things to say when Biden got cancer, but his cruelty is why people love Trump.
Did you really say tens of million died from the vaccine? How many tens of millions are you talking about? Twenty million? The population of Florida? I need to offer my condolences to you for losing an entire state worth of loved ones.
tens of millions world wide, I have forgotten the exact figure. Here in Europe , they continue to drop dead at any age unexpectedly , while driving, in their sleep , et... Montagnier the nobel prize had predicted it.
So how many of your acquaintances dropped dead? Hundreds? Thousands? It’s not happening in my area, and if people are dropping dead around the U.S., it’s not showing up in mortality data. I’d love to see your data for Europe.
It is showing up in mortality data but if you continue to make up your mind by just looking around you and not making a correlation and if you don't inform your self in counter information, there is nothing that will change your mind and I am not going to waste time with you.!for your information 4 of my friends or acquaintances died , plus one got severe neurological disorders. Data is available, look for it like I did. If you don't you are either a shill or uninformed and unwilling to be informed.
I did. It shot up to 69.7 million worldwide in 2021 and down to 61.7 million in 2023, after the vaccine was widely circulated. Sorry about your losses. Please don’t waste your time with a shill like me.
Go back to the truth social cesspool, magat.
This from someone who voted for Donald Trump and supports Dr. Oz. You have no credibility, I am afraid. I pity you and your kind.
There are people who say horrible things online. They are not the party leaders and represent their own views. You know, the same free speech rights as Charlie had. Donald Trump used his free speech rights to gleefully mock Paul Pelosi after a terrible injury. The difference is that Trump is a party leader. Mr Kirk, a very prominent Republican, wanted Pelosi’s attacker out on bail. Kari Lake got a laugh line out of it, although she denied it later, and Don Jr had a fine time posting conspiratorial memes. The Dems have some cruel randos but the Rs have leaders who offer permission for cruelty.
So it must be interesting that you guys think people go to college for 4 yrs and then medical school for 4 more years and then residency for another 3 years to get into a position to hurt people and fool everyone that they are in a profession to care for people?
Yes, you just know there’s a bunch of people out there really happy that someone died. You just know it because you’re against people based on your psychic powers.
Maybe one day we can celebrate them.
Let’s not 😊
The problem is that having reported on Jimmy Kimmel for 10 years living in West Hollywood, his viewership was dropping rapidly to barely 1,000,000 per episode. They knew he was failing. The sad thing is they probably will put him back on because of the immense pressure from the woke left celebrities many of whom went to Epstein’s Island but that’s how it goes.
The entire point of this article, and Charlie’s life’s work, is that speech is, and should remain, protected in the United States of America. Speech alone should not be legally actionable - that’s what free speech means. AG Bondi’s comments this week about hate speech should offend any fan of Charlie’s, as should the heavy handed pressure from the FCC that led to Kimmel’s firing.1
My view it was about time to end the political bias that was foisted on all those who watched the late shows. I quit watching them over five years ago because I saw the character assassination which was a goal of Jimmy and the rest. Had nothing to do with delivering humor.. good riddance to all of them! They were all highly paid character, assassination, cut outs!
The firing of polite conservative host Jay Leno, for not worshiping at the foot of leftist Democrats, ended my watching of leftist political shows.
Trust me, I’m not sad to see him off the air either - can’t stand that clown - but that’s beside the point. The point is you don’t use government power to silence people you don’t like. Doesn’t matter who’s in charge or who the clowns are. It’s a really important point.
The "government power" did not take Kimmel off the air. It was his employer, which given his ridiculous salary, lost viewership, and inciting rhetoric was their right.
Of course that’s correct. Remember when social media was banning in vogue and we were told , “they are private companies which can do what they want.” Guess what ? So is Disney/ABC.
Of course it’s the employer’s right to terminate him, but that’s not the point we’re discussing. We’re discussing the fact that the timeline includes the FCC threatening his employer - and then he gets fired. So that’s the issue. And we know that happened because the head of the FCC, who apparently doesn’t realize we have a Constitutional Republic and part of his job description is NOT throwing his weight around to get people fired who say things he doesn’t like, so he went around bragging about it, like an idiot.
No the point we are discussing is the disgusting celebration of and lack of acknowledgement of how wrong Charlie’s death was. That’s what this article was about. The fact that people are spending MORE time being outraged that the FCC did their damn job by issuing a “warning” about lying to the public on airways that have specific obligations to the public to tell the truth is absolutely disgusting. It is NOT equal in concern to Charlie’s assassination and the disgusting leftist response to it.
I wish y’all would come out equally enraged with just as many words over the horrific political assassination of a good man. But no, let’s make it about the FCC potentially infringing on free speech. 🙄🙄🙄 Red herring shit
But it's the FCC's job to regulate the airwaves. While the Biden Administration was forced to secretly weaponize the FBI and CIA, and invent new agencies and fund a plethora of public/private NGOs to do its dirty work in censoring a few lonely voices (who were actually telling the truth), the Trump Administration is using the FCC's legally granted regulatory authority to caution the leviatian legacy media (whose lease on certain radio and television bandwith is essentially a monopoly) not to abuse their privilege by lying. Big difference.
And, still, not a word about campaign smear programs masquerading as comedy programs, and the fact political programs favoring on party are regulated.
It wasn't the government that fired Jimmy.
It was the people who issued his paycheck. He was a LOSER.
He wasn't funny and had lost millions of viewers and MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR HIS EMPLOYERS.
Then, he said a MAGA person had killed Charlie; when the evidence clearly
showed that it was a leftist with a trans lover, who had killed Charlie.
That was the last straw- and they fired Kimble. Rightfully so.
I never said the government fired him, Virginia. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.
So it wasn't you who said this above - "The point is you don’t use government power to silence people you don’t like."
I beg to differ.
Catch up. It was germane to the discussion.
You missed some facts so now you sound like a leftist making things up. The FCC had NOTHING to do with his firing. Someone made a comment. That’s it. Go back and look at the facts. Even his employer said I’d had zero to do with FCC. There was internal pressure from the affiliates who refused to put Kimmel back on, so ownership had to do something to appease the affiliates. Maybe looking at the facts instead of making things up might get people to believe you.
Lol, I didn’t make up anything, Bro. The FCC Chairman was quoted as saying ABC would face additional measures if they didn’t address the Kimmel issue. You can search the reports yourself.
And they are allowed to say that by the same free speech you use. The point is that there was ZERO actual pressure from the govt on this. Your premise is fundamentally false.
The issue was never about simply saying something offensive. There is a regulation that applies to everyone on network TV, and no one is permitted to make untrue statements on the air about a crime. Charlie's murder was a crime, Jimmy said the shooter was MAGA and MAGA was only using this to score political points - that is demonstrably untrue. The shooter with the trans girlfriend is NOT MAGA even though his family is. Jimmy had the opportunity to walk back what he said, and refused - you can look that up. The regulation was not created specially to get rid of Jimmy - it's a longstanding regulation about people who are on network TV which operates under the FCC not being permitted to make false statements about crimes or catastrophes. They can actually lie about everything else, and they do, it's just very specifically they can not continue to operate if they lie about crimes or catastrophes. It is sort of like in court, your free speech is not allowed to lie - when you go to court, that is a setting where whatever you say has to be the truth, and when you are talking about a crime, and potential jurors might actually the false statements and be influenced - false statements about crimes are not allowed on the air. But - Jimmy was given the chance to correct what he said, and he refused.
Yes but the advertisers pulled out because of numerous cmoplaints and not wanting to lose their customers. You can search those reports yourself. Plus ABC asked him how he would address this disaster (like, apologize, or say anything to soften what he said, or correct the false statement) and Jimmy said his plan was to double down on what he had already said. That was not going to work for the advertisers or the affiliate stations who were all getting pushback on this from those who loved Charlie. There are more people who loved Charlie, than those who loved Jimmy Kimmel. Today, Sept. 21, they're going to fill a large stadium for a memorial service. Millions of dollars were raised to support Charlie's programs within the first days after his death. Do you suppose Jimmy's advertisers didn't notice? Anyway, it is against FCC regulations to make a false statement about a crime or a catastrophe; Jimmy made a false statement in regard to Charlie's murder, he had the opportunity to resolve this by walking back his statement, he refused and ABC fired did what they did. Jimmy could have prevented this by apologizing or walking it back in some way. Jimmy said the shooter was MAGA and MAGA people were just using this for political points. That was untrue, the shooter was not MAGA. Jimmy refused to admit the mistake or lie. ABC knew it was an untrue statement about a crime, and Jimmy freely chose not to fix it. This is 100% on Jimmy himself. And I just found today, in 2018 when Roseanne Barr tweeted something that got her fired, he said free speech doesn't mean that networks allow you to say vile things without consequences, and that ABC made the right call in cancelling Roseanne. He ought to apply the same words to himself.
Seems that the decline in viewership made it an easy decision and maybe there was a push, but after all the constant character assassination of Donald Trump over the last 10 years says I don’t blame him! If I had been publicly ridiculed like that I would’ve probably commit suicide within a year.
Yeah = Kimmels an "Evil clown"...¡
And cutting down decent normal people IS why this warped individual was hired and is paid to do and he's an overacheiver at it,
Now drawing strong criticism enuff to be hand slapped by the scum that would hire such a man for that purpose for being antithetical to any decorum of decency,
In laymens terms he's a creepy jerk with a warped outlook normal people recoil from and would personally revile...!!!
I’m guessing the usaid funding was a factor.
While technically and legally Carr’s statement didn’t cause the firing, can we at least agree that it was a tactical error? It gave the left a talking point they would not have had if Carr had said nothing. Naturally, leftist media will repeat “It was Carr’s naked threat” over and over. Their followers, who prefer explanations that fit on bumper stickers, will never hear the other (and maybe only) reasons Kimmel was fired. That was a predictable as the sun coming up this morning.
Carr should have let it play out organically instead of trying to tip the scale. Remember the Twitter Files? Democrat officials didn’t openly threaten. They had the FBI call and email social media companies and silence people they didn’t agree with insidiously, behind the scenes. Do I approve of that? Absolutely not. Carr’s open threat and the last administration’s secret censoring (and open threats-remember Joe Biden telling the unvaccinated that his administration was running out of patience with them?) both prove that the propensity to abuse power is part of the human condition, regardless of who has more power at the moment.
We’d rather argue with each other over which side has the bigger propensity to abuse than to limit all government power to protect all of us no matter which party won the last election. If only enough of us had the maturity and intelligence to stop yelling out bumper stickers and acknowledge the glaring common interest between the left and right in protecting speech from government overreach.
I'm just glad Carr is finally doing his job.
How was that political bias any different from what Fox News is doing?
isn’t democracy also about choice? It choose to watch Jon Stewart and I choose not to watch Fox News….
No one is foisting anything on me. Except now the government is.
Exceptional hypocrisy from someone who claimed that limits on free speech ended when he was inaugurated. And his VP who went to Europe and lectured them on their limits to free speech.
All they really want is to be able to spew racist and sexist hatred with no repercussions. And they want their followers and allies over seas to be able to do the same.
Kibble and Coblat crossed the line from comedy into campaign programs long ago. That's regulated.
Agreed. Free speech necessarily includes disagreement.
His entire nationwideprime demographic had DROPPED to the smaller than the size of ONE medium county in Florida. Money loser. He then lost 40 affiliates that pulled him off. Even greater losses.
While that might be true… there is light at the end of the tunnel…go woke go broke 👍
There should be free speech, I agree, but some of the vile, hate filled comments on social media were more than that-they were ENCOURAGING & applauding violence-like Destiny, for example. He said outright that Conservatives should be worried, that they should be killed. He’s one of the “big names” who said it, but many who lost their jobs were just as bad. They crossed a line from speech to incitement.
I don’t believe even incitement should be illegal - what’s going to happen when conservatives are on the outs and we want to try and organize, for example? Have you forgotten J6 so soon? Stick and stones can break your bones, but words can never hurt you - nor should they. The government doesn’t have the right to imprison you, get you fired, or otherwise restrict your speech, movement or association based solely on what you say. That principle truly cannot be overstated. You give them that ability, and soon, like in the UK, Germany and Australia, you can be jailed for a post on Facebook. That’s ridiculous. People are responsible for their own behavior - so if someone can be “incited to violence” by someone else’s speech, you just made my words responsible for someone else’s actions; absolutely do not agree with that. We are each responsible for our OWN actions - makes no difference what someone else said, or didn’t say, or did, or whatever. I am responsible for my actions; you are responsible for yours. Period.
Yes, we are responsible for our own actions. I agree that Government shouldn’t be punishing people based on speech, but employers do have the right to fire people who don’t fit the values of their company. Social media is radicalizing young people, in particular, like Charlie Kirk’s killer. It’s telling them that it’s ok to kill people over their politics. That shouldn’t be acceptable. Re: J6-it was a set-up. National Guard not deployed, Government operatives deployed in the crowd to incite violence. Anyway, that’s not analogous to social media posts telling people it’s ok to murder someone you don’t agree with.
That is true if it is independent, thought and expression, and not an organized psychological
Weaponized effort to change mindsets. It is a form of psychological warfare intended to manipulate and herd humanity.. that was well demonstrated with the Covid con and it was well demonstrated with the attack on Donald Trump! I cannot believe the discourse that has been created in the last 10 years that has negatively affected most Americans lives! My peace of mind has been shattered, and I’m angry that I am being subject to mental manipulation.
The result is, I have met people that are so polarized in their understanding and have hatred for political figures. It is beyond my belief. !
It sounds like you’re describing propaganda, which was illegal for the government to engage in domestically before Obama signed a “modernized” version of the Smith-Mundt Act in 2012. One could argue this is the true font of the constant barrage of messaging, programming and propaganda that we are assaulted with everyday, on topics ranging from Climate Change to Foreign Policy (“Israel is our greatest ally!”), to energy policy (“Electric everything is awesome, Guys!) to public health policy (“safe and effective”, anyone?) and on and on and on it goes. Now that you know when it changed, and for what reason, you have what you need to organize your neighbors and campaign your Representatives to repeal it!
Unfortunately most don’t have a clue and our Congressman are hopeless!
I agree that we should be free to say whatever we want. That doesn't mean that if you say something that offends your boss, there won't be consequences. It just means they can't put you in jail, like they did with Douglass Mackey for posting a joke meme about Hillary on Facebook. Seven months in jail! That is OUTRAGEOUS!
Precisely and exactly correct.
Absolutely agree that government is prohibited by the constitution from censoring all but a tiny slice of speech, and we should resist all efforts to expand that tiny slice. Non-governmental employers, on the other hand, have the right fire employees for virtually any reason or no reason at all (discrimination against protected classes aside).
Carr, a public official, should have said nothing on the subject of Kimmel’s suspension. By speaking up, he has allowed the narrative to be framed as Trump administration overreach, when it already appeared ABC was going to take some employer action against Kimmel. We’ll never know what influence Carr’s threat had because Disney and ABC will deny any influence (Disney already has), but it was an unforced error on Carr’s part.
Julie: “People are responsible for their own behavior”… you are correct! ABC is not the govt, ABC is owned by shareholders and they are the ones who fired Kimmel, no one else!
Do not conflate government with a left leaning enterprise.
Viewership was disintegrating because Americans are waking up to the truth of the fact that they are being psychologically manipulated!
He gave them the perfect excuse to fire him, without having to cite declining viewership and departing advertisers. The FCC should stay out of it and just let these shows fail on their own. As Matt Taibbi says, it is really entertaining.
“The problem is that having reported on Jimmy Kimmel for 10 years living in West Hollywood”: what does that even mean? And what does it have to do with why they fired him? Nothing.
I’ve never met anyone my age 30 who watched his show. In college no one showed clips of his show. Just the man show.
This is definitely a watershed moment for Disney, it's going to be fascinating to watch.
There’s a few certainties I’ve come to realize in life as of late… This whole “trans” debate/issue could be completely solved in about 28 days if these pervert men could get their period! And second, have Jimmy Kimmel start a podcast so we can show him, in real time, how many people want to hear what he has to say, all three of them.
They are not putting him back on without a severe paycut.
His numbers don’t justify it and the owners of affiliate stations don’t want him.
The problem is that having reported on Jimmy Kimmel for 10 years living in West Hollywood
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The First Amendment protects citizens from government censorship or restriction of speech. It does not restrict private companies from setting their own workplace policies regarding employee conduct and speech.
In most US states, employment is "at-will". This means an employer can terminate an employee for any reason or no reason at all, as long as the termination isn't for discriminatory reasons (like race or religion) or illegal retaliation.
Additionally, Kimmel is just not funny. Late night talk shows are not funny.
Letterman was funny until he became a grumpy old man opining about politics. It’s been a steady downhill slide for a couple of decades.
Why not play reruns of Marx Brothers movies or the Best of Johnny Carson? Or just get a good night’s sleep by turning off the sewage flowing into our brain? We’d all have a better attitude if we didn’t eat, drink and sleep politics.
Yes! We had funny talk shows like Johnny Carson, Bob Hope, Lucille Ball, Carol Burnett... so many shows that allowed us to laugh at ourselves and situation comedy. What happened?
Liberals. And the agenda of the satanic elites who, up the chain, own virtually all the stations.
Let's not forget George Carlin!
And that’s fine - but ABC didn’t appear to be firing him for ratings, did they? They had left him on the air for years in spite of his ratings slide. And it doesn’t help when the head of the FCC brags about pressuring ABC. Why do that??? Let them fire him on their own. That’s the point of the article. No one is sad to see that clown go; but that’s not the point, at all.
Advertisers and affiliates have been unhappy with Kimmel/Colbert for years due to their ever-shrinking audiences and complete lack of effort to appeal to anyone but boomerlibs and older Gen X women.
I’m glad that they availed themselves of the opportunity to “suspend”this guy. The whole “late night” demographic has been changing anyway, those who choose to doom-scroll can now do so 24/7, they don’t have to stay up “late” to enter their lunatic leftist bubbles anymore.
I think their viewer demographic is simply aging out, via death or simply not staying up very late, which is quite common in the elderly, and they're not being naturally replaced by the next generation like they used to be. This is not just late night either, the average age of Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc. viewers just keeps on going higher into the late 60s and 70s.
As you said, people have other options and streaming content platforms have broken most people under the age of 60 out of the practice of watching a TV show during it's time slot, versus watching whatever they want whenever they want to.
USAID funding maybe was a factor.
Why do you think this?
Kimmel & others like him probably were not popular for quite some time. CNN, etc. Once the govt dark money was cut, it was only a matter of time.
Maybe he just wanted to go out making a cry bully point. Or maybe this is a tactic to drum up support.
I don't doubt that's true. But why would USAID funding be a factor?
I’m just guessing that a lot of the unappealing mouthpieces that have recently been swept aside were never popular, just serving a political purpose after Smith Mundt was modernized to allow propaganda.
Ferguson was funny after Letterman lost his humor.
Ferguson was funny. Enjoyed his wackiness.
I read that Jimmy's advertisers were pulling out of the show - because people were offended and letting the sponsors know. The affiliate stations were getting pushback because people were offended. As Erin Elizabeth said, viewership has been down, and that is a problem, but pair that with loss of advertising dollars, and the affiliates not wanting his show, it's not simply politics. There is also the issue that when you are on network TV, you are bound by the regulations of the FCC, which has a regulation about false statements about a crime or catastrophe. This was a crime, and Jimmy made a false statement. The network gave him a chance to correct it, and he refused. Sorry, the shooter was not MAGA, and everybody except Jimmy Kimmel seems to know that. But this is not government controlling his free speech - when you are on one of the major networks under the FCC, on that platform, you can't tell untruths about crimes or catastrophes. Lying on TV seems to actually happen a lot these days, but in this case, the untruth was glaringly obvious to the vast majority of many viewers as well as advertisers, network executives, affiliate management, FCC - everyone. So, he lost his job when he refused to walk back what he said. There was no choice other than the network dropping his show. Bill Maher did a good job in what he said about it.
There were many reasons I would have fired Kimmel years ago if I was his employer. But Carr was a government official and his public statements are all the leftists will ever hear or believe caused the firing. If Carr had not tried to speed up or insure what already looked like inevitable employer action against Kimmel, none of us would be having to try to convince others there were reasons for the firing other than Carr’s statements. IMO, Carr made a tactical error by piling on to an organic response viewers, affiliate stations, advertisers and Kimmel’s employers were already having. He handed leftists a “government overreach” narrative they would not have if he’d just let the situation play out.
True, but the liberals would have cried about it and used their control of media to make his firing a talking point(more than the murder) in any case. Exhibit A: Colbert’s non renewal of his contract and money losing show.
That woman in the red dress on the panel was looking to push back on every point Maher made, even free speech and common decency. My guess is she was instructed to be an asshole or she never listened to a word Kirk said. But I have, and while I don’t necessarily agree with his overarching religious theme, I never heard him say anything bad about anybody. He was always reasonable, articulate, knowledgeable and respectful.
Yes, the woman in the red dress, was miserable..
probably, a life-long liberal who had never even listened to Charlie.
People who have walked away from the Democratic party are not former liberals, they are the people who have retained their liberal values, an important liberal value being free speech. The Democratic party is totalitarian, which has nothing to do with liberal, it wants to control everything people say and do, the opposite of liberal values.
Exactly this ☝️
Mahr is one of the very few whose mind is not mentally constipated nor lacking brain cells. Mahr is able to be objective and deliver a truthful message as opposed to one filled with lies and hatreds that penetrates minds identical to theirs.
Events like this show people's true colors. There are many ugly people in this world who mask that ugliness in audacity, audaciousness, glamour, and glitz.
However, this behavior is not limited to Hollywood, its everywhere. If we treat everyone as individuals instead of a member of a cult or cast, we would all be better off. You should be able to be allowed to love the person despite their flaws as no one is without them. When we focus our lives on what brings us together, the world is a better place.
This is not to say some people are genuinely evil, they exist. However, there are telltale signs of good people. Those with children who nurture their families, take care of their property, follow gods commandments, pick up others trash, who say thank you and your welcome, hold the door for others, say kind words to strangers. Every time we focus on these things, the world becomes a brighter place.
This is beautiful and I agree wholeheartedly. The destruction of the individual is always disastrous and we all know where this cult-like mob mentality leads. I hope more people wake up and learn to stand for their own set of values.
I respect Bill Maher. Saw his sit-down with Charlie Kirk- good show.
Hope Bill is not cancelled by the Democrat slaves.
After he went to the White House, dined with Trump, and lived to broadcast another day, Bill Maher showed himself to be cancel-proof.
Replacing facts with feelings. Elite graduation criteria.
If he is, maybe he'll create his own channel like Tucker & Megyn...has worked well for them.
You still watch them?
I watch Tucker occasionally on my computer -- cancelled my TV service. Watched vids of Megyn interviewing Charlie, then interviewing the friend of his Frank Turek. I don't watch either regularly.
Rhetorical question dimwit.
Wow. Aren't you nice. A dem, no doubt, & follower of Satan, full of hate.
The best thing that could happen is Jimmy Kimmel and his ilk are not cancelled because of some outside authoritarian actions, but because people simply quit watching his show and similar shows. That way there is no way to cry "censorship" because the shows were cancelled because they couldn't sell advertising because no one was watching the trash. They're sad little monsters and no thinking person of integrity would ever have anything to do with them.
That's exactly why Kimmel was canceled. He wasn't funny. Viewership had tanked;
and so had profits. Jimmy lied and said a MAGA person had killed Charlie; even though evidence had proved he was a liberal (from a MAGA home), who had a love relationship with a liberal man transitioning to a woman. Jimmy refused to apologize for his lie;
and was going to double down on the lie.
He was fired because of all those things; rightfully so.
That is exactly what happened. Advertisers were puling out, and affiliate stations wanted to drop him because people were offended. If nobody will buy your ads... that is not sustainable. And that is what happened. Plus, ABC knowing that FCC regulations had been violated and Jimmy refusing to apologize, make a correction or in any way walk back what he said. He totally had the opportunity to do that and 100% refused. He sealed his own fate on that. In spite of advertisers cancelling and in spite of affiliates not wanting the show - he had the opportunity to walk back what he said that was untrue, and he would not. Nobody should be blaming anyone other than Jimmy for what happened. He is the one who should not have tried to make political points when so many were grieving.
The networks should be having their news shows display graphics showing how much money and viewers Kimmel and Colbert were losing until people get the message that these guys weren’t successful talk show hosts and they were kept on air far longer than any money-losing series would have been.
Amen to that.
9 years ago, as soon as Trump beat the Red Queen, the hate from the left began in earnest.
The left couldn't believe their woman lost to a male chauvanist pig.
Here we are 9 years later, after their second 'self-proclaimed' liberal woman has lost and the hate, the derangement, and the vile nature of their politics is all they have.
When I was 18 years old in 1969, I was a self-proclaimed bleeding heart liberal. I actually believed murderers and rapists could be reformed. Over the years that followed, the constant wars that killed and maimed many, seeing one of my young lady friends brutally raped, has helped me to gain a more conservative view of the brutal world we live in.
The word 'liberal' today has in my opinion no similarity to what the word meant to me in 1969.
Getting older opens ones eyes to reality.
Blind loyalty to a political party rather than the belief of the old adage, 'love one another' is the main reason for the escalation of hate in America.
The two party system must change to allow more representative political parties to emerge.
Only then will hate begin to take a backseat to all us loving one another.
Weaponizing the mentally ill will end whatever free speech we have left if those who exploit them aren't prosecuted for the worst form of child abuse that is preventable. The mutilation of child sex organs approved of by the medical quacks, psychologist quacks, and the sperm donors who tell their children their biological sex is a "choice" would be prosecuted in a sane world. The Marxist ideologues & Globalist Cult fanatics who promote transgenderism & gender fluidity may not actually believe their lunatic theories, but they acquire power & control otherwise impossible to them for a nihilistic philosophy that disposes of their prey after eliminating their Nationalist opponents & "Capitalist" enemies.
If you thought sex organs, body type, anatomy, and biochemistry were the only differences between the two sexes, you are just scratching the surface. Biology matters, and ignoring this reality is a form of civilizational suicide that will devalue the human condition: https://crev.info/2018/12/biological-fact-men-women-different/
Transitioning children is one of the most egregious crimes in American medical history
https://twitter.com/xxclusionary/status/1650079370076102657?s=20
The insanity of Transgenderism: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-insanity-of-transgenderism/
But, Bill Maher, regarding your free speech argument, We The People do not have to grant a license to use Our Public Airways so that outright lairs and truely stinking piece of shit people can broadcast "their", the evils', vial speech to millions of people. Many more need to be, your words Bill Maher, "shit canned".
Good Riddance to the stinking rubbish of dowd and kimmel
The issue, in my opinion, is that the “we” who do not have to grant a license changes with each new administration. The power to label speech as vile and silence it was misused by the last administration to silence doctors who questioned the safety of COVID vaccines, people who stated the opinion was that a man cannot turn himself into a woman, and people who said George Floyd died of a drug overdose. The arbiters of what is vile is constantly changing.
What is vile and evil does not change. Some arbiters are right and some are wrong. In these evil times some arbiters are Good and some arbiters are evil
The power to label rightful free speech as vile and silence it was misused by the last administration who failed to uphold The Constitution, The Law, The God Given Right to Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness and by continuing to kill real treatment for covid, to create Fear, to force an experimental, toxic, tested and shown unsafe, gene therapy, covid "vaccine" injection they Depraved-heart mass murdered millions of people in the US and the countries that follow the US "leadership". vile and evil
We The People grant a license to use Our Public Airways through our elected representatives who oversee the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). It regulates communications by radio, television, and other media to ensure compliance with federal laws. Laws written by our elected representatives who responded to the will of The People and in this instance fulfilled their duty to understand outright lies and vile falsehoods broadcast over the public airways are not protected free speech.
The issue, in my opinion, is that we are in the midst of -
The Battle for The Future of Life on Our Planet Earth - GOD / GOOD vs evil
A Long Planned Golden Age of Freedom And Opportunity For All vs "their" long planned, information control, mind control, economic control, total control worldwide surveillance state leading to evil's genetically modified, depopulated, dystopian taking of Our Planet Earth rendering Our Planet Earth unfit for the life of souls created by God.
Who cares? Experts (snipers, military, former military, those seeing various videos from the event, and on and on) know what a patsy is, know this was not as officially portrayed. Its really trivial to search on, say, X, using Grok, and say "tell about alternative possibilities gleaned from videos recorded at the event, from experts in weaponry and rifles, from investigative journalist George Webb, and so on. One can either watch the show being put on, or delve just a bit to find out that the official story is hogwash, AI wrote letters not this 22-year old, and so on. https://x.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1968830483266949278. https://x.com/BenSwann_/status/1969160879078842609 https://x.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1950906030281707733 https://x.com/Bethhagendorf/status/1967784601692028932 Criticisms and Questions from ExpertsNumerous experts—including former military snipers, ballistics analysts, and independent investigators—have labeled aspects of the official story as "ludicrous" or implausible, pointing to inconsistencies in physics, biology, psychology, and evidence handling. This isn't limited to fringe sources; it's echoed in media analyses, Reddit discussions, and detailed breakdowns. Key points:Sniper and Ballistics Expertise: Former Army sniper Koa Lorimer analyzed the 200-yard shot, noting it's within standard military qualification ranges (starting at 300 yards), but requires extensive training, reconnaissance, and practice in varied environments (e.g., accounting for wind). He highlighted the weapon (a .308 bolt-action with a high-powered scope) as suitable for precision, with a spent round left in the chamber to avoid evidence at the nest. However, this level of planning and execution suggests a highly experienced shooter, not a novice, raising questions about the suspect's background. Lorimer implied range logs and site visits could identify them, but critics argue the official amateur profile doesn't match
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Video and Trajectory Analysis: Surveillance footage shows the person of interest escaping, but independent analyses (e.g., by researcher "ro317") argue the bullet's path—constrained to a narrow 3D "corridor" (20°–28° azimuth right of Kirk's nose, 5°–7° depression)—limits shooter locations to specific blind spots like a shaded terrace (90–120m range), not the broader "roof zone" in official reports. Canopy obstructions, bright sun exposure, and wound dynamics (favoring a yawing 5.56 NATO over a clean .30–06 punch) contradict the claimed setup. This suggests the official trajectory math "doesn't agree" with physics, implying a coordinated professional hit rather than a solo amateur
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Biological and Psychological Implausibilities: Under stress, a 22-year-old amateur would face 160–180 bpm heart rate, causing tremors and tunnel vision, making a millimeter-precise neck shot (10–12cm window) nearly impossible. Elite marksmen struggle with sub-2 MOA accuracy in such conditions, and quick exfiltration without signs of panic (e.g., sweat) is "biologically absurd." Psychologically, crowd mis-localization of sound, decoys, and chaos manipulation explain the lack of clear phone footage, but this points to support teams and pre-planning, inconsistent with an isolated actor
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You are exactly correct..
Honest Conversation
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1461355615077439
This is the best account I've seen of what likely happened, thank you for the link! Had to watch at 1.25x speed, he stammers a lot. I wish he had mentioned the brown-shirt guy in front, who many have said shot Charlie with a palm pistol. Doesn't appear that could've happened, though it does look like what is happening in the videos. Also, no one talks about the F in Freedom totally disappearing from Charlie's shirt for a time, in the Camera 2 & 3 videos.
Welcome. Some have said the timing was to (i) provide a time buffer for implementing final extermination of all people in Gaza (i.e., distract people from the genociding) that is the clear and obvious goal, (ii) distract and attempt to nullify growing awareness that 9-11 was nothing at all like the "official story", and that the same country that is genociding all in Gaza now, played an intimate role therein. Rational arguments thereto have been presented--also not difficult to find such as through posts on X, with Grok. Noting this as an interesting method of exploring a 'database' of (Grok says) ~600M users of X, that might post on "this or that".