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Valerie Rodriguez's avatar

Thank you for condensing the information into bullet points we can remember and set into motion. I read the doctors article and it goes into amazing detail, which I appreciate and comprehend. But your recap made it relatable and actionable.

Take care and keep writing!

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The Vigilant Fox's avatar

Thanks, Valerie! I am glad you find these shortened versions helpful!

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Knowledge is cumulative. As pointed out much of what the Mid Doc said is simply not accurate. If you are new to the discussion of water purity better late than never.

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Susan P ...'s avatar

Informative article - thank you much. We've been using an R/O system for years. We also have gifted our adult children r/o units for their homes. Blessings & gratitude ...

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John1200's avatar

RO filter membranes are plastic, and there is a chance for microplastics in their output.

Regarding chlorine in water treatment, chlorine dioxide is often preferred over hypochlorite in water treatment because it is more effective at killing bacteria and viruses, especially in the presence of organic matter, and it produces fewer harmful by-products. Chlorine dioxide does not produce THMs or HAAs. Instead, it breaks down into chlorite and chlorate, which are present in much lower concentrations and are easier to manage. This reduction in harmful byproducts not only improves the safety of treated water but also reduces the environmental impact of the water treatment process. Additionally, chlorine dioxide is less corrosive and maintains its efficacy across a wider pH range compared to hypochlorite.

Chlorine dioxide can also correct rouleaux aggregations of rbc's when consumed at appropriate concentration.

Distillation may be the preferred method for making water for drinking and cooking.

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Allie's avatar
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I have been distilling my drinking water for years. I have a table top distiller made by “H2O Labs” that is very convenient to use. It comes with a glass carafe (I don’t know where that glass comes from). No filters are required so nothing is added to the landfills.

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Vonu's avatar

The Waterwise 1600 is the only distiller that I know about that could be used with any heat source. H2O Labs has a gravity distiller, and I didn't know that water could be boiled by gravitation.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Gravity filters are not distillers. Gravitation is not a word.

All distillers need electricity exepting rain collection that has its own issue.

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Mark Luersen's avatar

RO is also wasteful, for every gallon made at least 1+ gallons are wasted. Also, if the membranes of RO is not cleaned and kept up, the water will be dirty. Tabletop distillation is the best method, it also removes a little bit more than RO.

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Vonu's avatar

RO membranes are continuously washed by the wasted water.

It would take a very leaky distiller to waste more water than RO.

Remember that it takes triple distilling to remove benzene.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

John hate to inform you on the non existence of "virus" something the Mid Doc would most likely dispute. What is true is that a growing collective of MD's totally expose the virus fraud. The discussion is about mostly about removing chlorine and florine from water and what filtration is best. ClO2 is elephant gun medicine.

Distilled is plenty good enough but expensive due to electricity cost and hardware.

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Vonu's avatar

So are the buttons on your computer's keyboard and your clothes.

Distillation is not filtration, nor does it make water. It is superior to filtration, especially when done trebly to remove persistent petroleum distillates.

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Scott munson's avatar

I've spent decades advocating people have a choice of either RO reverse osmosis or Berkey or similar water filter with fluoride elements. After all when the grid goes down and the tapwater no longer has pressure your reverse osmosis system will be worthless

Berkey and Berkey type filters are excellent because you can take them on the move change locations use them for filtering rainwater or gray water that you first passed through another sediment filter etc. there are many layers here but

I would never advocate a single thing such as RO system

I advocate Berkey for the home filter and KATADYN water filters for backpacking and travel as well as life straw

Redundant systems are excellent

I would not want to follow up a perky with a bunch of crappy rainwater or pawn scum so you also wanna grab a hold of this many brown paper coffee filters as you can from garage shells free markets and waist stream and even create your own pre-filter system with sand salt and charcoal Over brown paper coffee filters so that you are passing some mostly clean water through your Berkey as the final step

Berkey can only last for 10,000 gallons if you've got some pretty clean pre-filtered or tapwater coming in

I could write forever about this but surely other people already have please you've redundant systems and keep your options open when the shit hits the fan SHTF you're gonna need to have Katie Dan and life straw filters on hand and or your Berkey and whatever you can keep working as you try to operate by candlelight after the grade goes down

You should and must adopt as many 5 gallon bottle as you can when you see them curbside take a sniff and if they smell clean then you can take them home and triple rinse them with the hose water

You should be storing clean filtered water in your basement garage closet

Redundant water filters and redundant water storage or essential after an earthquake disaster hurricane fire flood natural disaster and or World War III zombie apocalypse

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Truth Seeker's avatar

No need to write forever. Water filtration is a huge issue.

The Berkey cartridges has been tested extensively and are very effective gravity filters.

The reason I prefer ceramic is that fact that the Berkeys are plastic and not cleanable.

That said the Alka Viva machines are at least 10x better assuming one has electric.

Fluoride removal is easy, other contaminants problematic.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

I understand content providers are looking for content. That is a problem especially when knowledge is not the governor. It results in click bait taglins like The Shocking Truth About Your Water and in Hegelian Dialectic fashioe the solution as advocated by an "expert" who is not one on this topic

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Unfortunately this information is inaccurate. The Midwestern Doctor does not understand this issue and is giving bad advice. RO water is not even in the top 3 list. It is also not possible to know when RO need maintenance.

Distilled water is far better. It removes everything including minerals, that are not in short supply with plant based eating. A gravity feed ceramic filter is another option to have onhand when the electric is out.

But 10x better is the Alka Viva filtration for the best possible taste also allowing pH regulation useful with knowledge. Some individuals are too acidic. This option is the most expensive but well worth the investment. It also adds a small amount of H in the PPM range useful to prevent or helpful in many maladies. AV offers much better filtration than RO is capable of. That is not hype. As Joe Friday famously said Just the facts Mam, just the facts.

RO is C grade quality filtration for newbees.

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Mark Luersen's avatar

RO is also wasteful, for every gallon made at least 1+ gallons are wasted. Also, if the membranes of RO is not cleaned and kept up, the water will be dirty. Tabletop distillation is the best method, it also removes a little bit more than RO. I will look into Alka, but currently I use Lourdes Hydrofix from Japan to add hydrogen to my distilled water. I think Japan leads the way in water tech.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Indeed, my distiller is 30 years old having a 4 gal stainless storage tank underneath.

It has worked flawlessly but is expensive to operate due to the ridiculous cost of electricity here. Your point on water wasting with RO is well taken.

Alka Viva also wastes water however the effluent is acidic, can be captured and is useful for skin conditions or washing. It is also very useful for plants.

The point is that the "doctor" endorsement assumes that the doctor knows something about this issue. That is simple untrue.

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Amy J Schlosser's avatar

Sometimes even the truth is just too much…because everything is just too much… these marathon has run so long… every day…every drink…every food…the air etc etc etc… got to rest in the fact that I am still kicking and have many changes…

Best one recently is my daughters milling and making their own bread and sharing….surely we are fearfully and wonderfully made to have to be standing and doing what we are able. PS I have a titanium water bottle….i feel like it’s good stiff but who knows. Peace Out💞

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rucellesrose@gmail.com's avatar

What about distilled water?...I have bought and drank it for years and recently bought a small distiller...

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Truth Seeker's avatar

You should read the other comments. Distilled is much better than RO.

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Tami Bone's avatar

I wonder if stainless steel food grade bottles are as good as glass. I’ve been using them for years, plus a Berkey ro filter.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Berkey is not RO. Stainless has a tiny percentage of nickle. Glass is therefor preferable.

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Allie's avatar

I have been distilling my own water for years with an “H2O Labs” home distiller. It is very convenient and is about the size of a coffee maker you would see in a hotel or at a convention. Don’t have to buy any filters and don’t need a plumber to install. I do take a Mg supplement but I’ve been taking Mg glycinate b/c it is supposed to be one of the best absorbed. How does this compare to the others mentioned in this article?

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Other common forms of Mg:

Magnesium Chelate

Magnesium Citrate

Magnesium Bisglycinate

Magnesium Malate

Magnesium Sucrosomial

Magnesium Taurate

Magnesium Orotate

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Some of the best Mg supplements include 4-5 forms as there is individual difference.

That said you are way ahead with your choices. Relax

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Jamie's avatar

Its so insane that we have to pay for expensive gadgets to take the things they are putting in our water back out. We cant hate them enough.

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HisTruthWins's avatar

Check Lead Safe Mama, Tamara Rubin, for testing on Xtrema cookware. Off the chart high in lead.

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Vonu's avatar

The magnesium in magnesium chloride, because of that compound's zero stability factor, is more bioavailable than the magnesium in threonate, malate, or citrate. My source is The Magnesium Miracle by Carolyn Dean.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

MgCl is dermal absorbtion. The other forms of Mg including Threonate are oral supplementation.

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MarianneK's avatar

RO is not feasible if you're like many people and rent. Clorine filter for the shower? give me a break. I'd be changing it weekly.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Problem solving offers no breaks.

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Vonu's avatar

Water filters that don't use either resins and/or reverse osmosis should be regarded to only filter out particulates and chlorine/fluorine with a limited amount of activated charcoal.

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Truth Seeker's avatar

Partially accurate. Activated charcoal is universally used across the board even on the best whole house systems. Distilled removes everything. Alka Viva is the best option however is pricey.

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GeriGR's avatar

Can’t locate Midwestern’s Substack any longer. Why is that?

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