Calley Means Stuns CNN Viewers With Two Devastating Takedowns Live on Air

Paul Offit and Pamela Brown came prepared for a debate. What they received was a reckoning.

Calley Means, ex-pharma consultant turned industry critic, came out swinging on CNN Wednesday in a fiery debate against infamous vaccine pusher Dr. Paul Offit.

Offit thought he could call RFK Jr. an anti-vaxxer without his own financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry being exposed—but he was wrong.

Things immediately got heated when Means exposed Offit’s shocking conflicts of interest on live TV while CNN’s Pamela Brown stood by and let it happen like a deer caught in headlights.

“What’s causing distrust in public health authorities is conflicts of interest, like Dr. Offit taking millions of dollars from pharmaceutical makers like Merck while approving and recommending pharmaceuticals on ACIP committees.

“Dr. Offit says that science is always settled when he himself has approved vaccines that have been recalled for causing organ failure in kids.

“Dr. Offit is talking about measles… But there were 300 deaths from measles a year before the invention of the vaccine. We have 38% of children right now with prediabetes. Bobby is focused on that. He’s focused on reorganizing the department. And that’s what we should be talking about, not this distraction,” Means argued.

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After Offit finished uncomfortably smiling during Means’ rebuke, he responded to the claims, saying, “I don’t have a relationship with a pharmaceutical company.”

But Means later questioned, “Is it appropriate for a member of a government advisory committee (ACIP) to have a $1.5 million salary paid by Merck and receive millions in pharma royalties while he’s issuing guidance on products those companies make?”

Offit went on to say that he doesn’t know what the cause of autism is, mentioning several “interesting” theories. However, he stated with certainty that vaccines are “the one thing that doesn’t cause autism.”

“Vaccines, I think, are really the safest, best-tested things that we give to children,” Offit said.

The next disaster for CNN unfolded when host Pamela Brown asked Calley Means a vaccination question that completely backfired.

Means flipped the script, using her question to highlight how the media obsesses over “measles” instead of focusing on health concerns that truly matter.

PAMELA BROWN: “Is now a time to promote vaccines... especially among children who are being impacted by measles in places like Texas and in these six states where, according to health officials, they are unvaccinated?"

CALLEY MEANS: “Pamela, with respect, why aren’t you asking me about the fact that 50% of teens have obesity? There are breathless segments being run and seen on [infectious disease] day after day after day, Pamela. It’s breathless coverage of five measles cases.

“Why aren’t we asking why 16% of COVID deaths worldwide were Americans when we’re only 4% of the world population? Because the CDC said our immune system—no, it is related, Pamela. And let me say why: because the entire coverage of Bobby Kennedy is around measles.

“The Democrats said the word ‘measles’ 25 times in the first hearing and said the words ‘obesity,’ ‘diabetes,’ and ‘chronic disease’ zero times. The HHS priority document under President Biden said the word ‘equity’ 25 times, said the word ‘vaccines’ countless times, and did not say the word ‘obesity’ or ‘diabetes.’

“There is a problem right now because this is not zero-sum. We are focused on a very small subset that’s important—we need good infectious disease management. Bobby Kennedy, Dr. Offit, is not correct. Bobby Kennedy has said one thing about vaccines and one thing only: that they should be studied like any other product.

“Dr. Offit, on the ACIP committee, has recommended vaccines that have ended up being recalled for causing mass issues to kids. Bobby Kennedy has written multiple books, not about being anti-vax, but about having good science. And Dr. Offit is calling him anti-vaccine for literally just saying we need studies.

“Bobby Kennedy is not concerned with measles. He wants good policies with measles. He wants to attack the 92% of deaths in the United States, which is chronic conditions,” Means said.

Means continued to hammer the medical industry, exposing how it “doesn’t make money when children are healthy.”

“Pharma doesn’t make money when children are healthy. The hospitals don’t make money when the beds are empty. Chronic disease, just as a demonstrable statement of economic fact, is a great economic invention for the healthcare industry, which demonstrably makes money when patients are sick,” Means said.

Visibly frustrated as Means dismantled the narrative CNN wanted to push, Pamela Brown began frantically cutting him off before abruptly ending the segment, calling it a “spirited discussion.”

This debate made one thing clear: when mainstream news networks face someone who can challenge their narratives in real time, their arguments crumble, leaving viewers exposed to the truth.

While it’s safe to say that Means won’t be invited back on CNN anytime soon, this segment should serve as a stark reminder that the media’s goal is to push narratives, not to report the truth or host an honest debate.

Click here to watch the full debate.

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